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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by agustif »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #149
machello13 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's a poor equivalence. Apple's ads appear only in a few of their own apps. I wouldn't even call it an ad service, because that implies that third-parties can use it. In comparison, Google and Facebook both operate actual, for-profit ad services that are used across almost every website and app in the world. I agree about Apple being too strict on the App Store. But it's not really what I'm talking abou…

Apple does offer an ad service to third parties: https://searchads.apple.com The biggest market for Facebook’s ads on iOS is for apps. Apple is cracking down on that with this change, so Facebook won’t be able to show attribution for app purchases. It’s hard not to think that this change is an effort to take over the market with their competing app advertising service. My claim is that this is part of the larger effo…

AaaS

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by reaperducer »

klyrs wrote: post #178
cactus2093 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

You might want to do a deep dive on the politics of textbooks, standardized tests, and the economics of charter schools. Corporate interests run deep, and it isn't limited to trump or either party.

I wouldn't call examining the controversy over school text books as a "deep dive" into anything. As far as education topics go, it's as shallow as a google search.

I've been to a few thousand school board meetings in my day. There are a lot of unmined topics there.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by threeseed »

StavrosK wrote: post #186
threeseed wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called a PC. And the fact that people still flock to consoles means that users want a safe, curated, vibrant, affordable gaming platform. Which would be destroyed if you (a) stopped Sony making a profit of games and forcing them to make it from the hardware and (b) stopped Sony from blocking crapware, malware and counterfeits.

Why even make these straw men? What's the use? 1) Who said that games need to be sold at cost? 2) Who said anything about stopping Sony doing anything? Does the fact that you can unlock Android phones mean that the manufacturers (or Google) have now gone out of business? Or that they can't curate their stores? Just a super low effort reply.

Consoles are unique in that they sell the hardware initially at a loss which they recoup through game sales and future production efficiencies. If you allow people to install third party software without Sony's approval then you deprive them of this revenue stream and make the platform basically like a PC. Which us console gamers do not want.

Android manufacturers make their money from the hardware so it's irrelevant to them which apps you install.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by pseudalopex »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #102

In iOS 13, Apple and third-party ad tracking were both controlled by the same opt-out setting. In iOS 14, the settings have been split, with third party tracking disabled and and Apple’s tracking enabled by default. Blatant anticompetitive behavior to promote their own tracking services in the guise of protecting users. Genius move by Apple. https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?...

iOS 14 has a prompt for third party tracking.[1] It isn't disabled.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/22/apple-ios-14-ad-tracking/

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by saagarjha »

threeseed wrote: post #179
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #115

I’m all for how these changes are going to negatively affect Facebook and advertisers. But I just can’t also escape the feeling in the long term I’m giving up control of the devices I own and the actual act of computing to get to this result. If it came to destroying advertisers or free open computing I want free computing.

Then don't buy an iPhone. There are hundreds of phone manufacturers who are more than happy to take your money. But if you buy an iPhone you need to understand that you are in the minority i.e. that most of us want Apple to make changes like this.

> There are hundreds of phone manufacturers

That all ship one OS.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by Ensorceled »

cactus2093 wrote: post #177
hinkley wrote: post #122

The abuser playbook really is pretty standard. I'm kind of surprised we don't have classes on how to avoid being on the receiving end. Push the person until they crack, then call for discretion and dialog about the 'problem' so you don't get what's coming to you. But that would probably conflict tremendously with the corporate interests that inform our public education system.

You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Why did you assume a general statement about the public education system was an attack against the current Administration instead of a complaint about decades of neglect? Education is mostly a state/local matter.

Also, Devos is publicly in favour of eliminating public schools in favour of private schools / voucher systems and has attempted to drastically reduce her own portfolios budget; so the malice is openly on display here.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by StavrosK »

threeseed wrote: post #193
StavrosK wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even make these straw men? What's the use? 1) Who said that games need to be sold at cost? 2) Who said anything about stopping Sony doing anything? Does the fact that you can unlock Android phones mean that the manufacturers (or Google) have now gone out of business? Or that they can't curate their stores? Just a super low effort reply.

Consoles are unique in that they sell the hardware initially at a loss which they recoup through game sales and future production efficiencies. If you allow people to install third party software without Sony's approval then you deprive them of this revenue stream and make the platform basically like a PC. Which us console gamers do not want. Android manufacturers make their money from the hardware so it's irrelevant…

Yes, Sony won't make profit on games unless you actually want games. I don't see what the problem is. Sell a more expensive, unlocked version of the PS5 I can do whatever I want on.

What's the issue?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by PascLeRasc »

evanreichard wrote: post #152
ffpip wrote: post #26

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Thanks, but is there not a way to use wildcards?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by schoolornot »

freeone3000 wrote: post #184
daralthus wrote: post #74

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They are not competitors. Antitrust law might not apply.

Apple has an ad platform.

Yes, how is forcing developers to use Apple telemetry/ads/whatever any different than forcing them to use Apple Pay for in-app purchases? What else can they grasp?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by threeseed »

saagarjha wrote: post #195
threeseed wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then don't buy an iPhone. There are hundreds of phone manufacturers who are more than happy to take your money. But if you buy an iPhone you need to understand that you are in the minority i.e. that most of us want Apple to make changes like this.

> There are hundreds of phone manufacturers That all ship one OS.

Not really. Android differs pretty heavily from one manufacturer to another.

And there are pure Linux phones as well.

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