The latency numbers look really good- under 100ms is similar to ground based connections
Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
#192Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.
> Even a reliable 10mbps
What are some applications that requires more than 10mbps speed in rural places?
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Starlink can't handle that many people, so it's a moot point that there are a theoretical 41 million potential customers. You can build out landlines far more easily than you can launch satellites; you just need the cable/fiber and some guys to dig a trench. The reason it hasn't happened is because it's not worth the financial investment without government subsidies (and this is why the federal government provides so…
> Starlink can't handle that many people, so it's a moot point that there are a theoretical 41 million potential customers. It's a critical point in fact, because you're never going to capture an entire market, you're going to capture at best a modest fraction of the maximum market (for numerous obvious reasons). Those 41 million potential customers are actually more like maybe 10-12 million stable or semi-stable hou…
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Especially with COVID showing the downsides to living in urban areas.
I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important. https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable...
Larger amounts of people mean more chances of exposure.
Being in urban environment means higher dependence on fragile supply chains- food security is totally dependent on JIT grocery store inventories.
Rural homes, by virtue of being isolated, are easier to self isolate.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do the satellites in the photo have the new shades on them? I'd be interested to know how much the situation has improved with the improved anti-reflection.
A non-reflective coating on the satellites will not stop them from blocking the light from astronomical objects.
The concern astronomers raised was blooming caused by oversaturating their sensors, not blockage.
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#196"...that said, we’ll make sure Starlink has no material effect on discoveries in astronomy. We care a great deal about science." Elon Musk A long exposure of Comet NEOWISE by Photographer Daniel Lopez: https://imgur.com/a/rDI1Onn N.B. The white streaks are Starlink constellation passthrough trajectories Starlink currently has 597 orbiting satellites they plan for more than 12k to be deployed. Amazon just got an appro…
The photographer has admitted that he used stacking to create the image.
But isn’t stacking used for astro-photography all the time?
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a set capacity for these satellites, they can accomodate X number of users per satellite which would be a region (I'm making an educated guess) about the size of New Jersey. I think the size is larger than that which means fewer users but I'm trying to ballpark during my lunch break. So if they expect to have 10,000 users (again ballpark) in New Jersey, but they instead get 40,000 they'll increase their cost…
I believe the satellites are moving, so there's no "Wyoming satellite customers" in the same way as existing satellite internet. The Wyoming customers will be sharing satellites with several other places as they move in and out of their regions
The bandwidth calculations work out about the same, as the users are pretty much stationary - users will be in an area handled by ~one satellite at a time (with handover between satellites).
Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important. https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable...
Larger amounts of people mean more chances of exposure. Being in urban environment means higher dependence on fragile supply chains- food security is totally dependent on JIT grocery store inventories. Rural homes, by virtue of being isolated, are easier to self isolate.
However, if you’re able to work from home, you can self-isolate pretty much anywhere, and drive wherever you need to get food.
If urban environments start seriously breaking down due to a food supply chain problem, rural areas won’t be safe from desperate people.
Anyway, both approaches have their pros and cons, but as someone who has a fairly severe back problem and not much inclination to try to live off the grid, I’d rather be in an urban area.
Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
#199Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…
The problem is you're basing your argument solely on the physical act of running cable/wires everywhere. When you look at the cost of just hiring a crew to dig the ground or string wire on a pole you are correct. It's significantly cheaper and more reliable. However, add in the human factor, government. The mess of rules, regulations, and right-of-way make it considerably more expensive to run wires everywhere.
I worked at a GEO company. They have a HUGE department just to work with governments to buy or keep their spectrum. The rules and regulations for spectrum are insane, and not just build this cable here in my county/state/country, but now this beam goes across borders what do I do? Oh wait, this region is contested by China/India we have to sell differently to each government.
Cost of labor => It's a calculation of how many people can be served per 1 mile (any unit) of cable. If that number is 20, cable wins. If it's 5, hotspot may win (which also uses cable FWIW). If it's 0.5 then these new satellites win. 5G may try to take more market from ISPs but they know they'll have to innovate to keep customers. I can 100% see cell towers being cheaper than cable, but not in every situation.
It's about supplementing not replacing infrastructure.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do the satellites in the photo have the new shades on them? I'd be interested to know how much the situation has improved with the improved anti-reflection.
A non-reflective coating on the satellites will not stop them from blocking the light from astronomical objects.
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