Big Brother is always listening.
Next, "detection of patterns of harmful behavior".
Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
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Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#192I might sound like a grumpy old granddad to some of you (and I am not even that old), but did you really think that a huge company would offer to put microphones into your living room for your advantage? They are going to benefit from this and you are going to pay for it. How? For instance with dynamic pricing. Your loved ones tell you how much they want that vacation on that Greek island? Good luck finding a cheap f…
You're spreading conspiracy theories. There is no way Google is listening to your phone calls and using the information for ads.
NO way? Really? You sure about that? Seriously?
Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#193For the folks who think your devices aren’t listening try an experiment: start talking out loud about a product you’ve never, ever searched for. Something you’ve never, ever needed or wanted. See how long it takes for ads for that very thing to start showing up in Facebook and in your targeted ads. I’ve done it and Started getting ads in a matter of days.
I've always dismissed this as coincidence. But over the past few months, my wife reported to me several incidents of a relevant Facebook ad showing up a day or two after a conversation she had with me or her friends, and that was not followed up by any on-line searches on the topic. At this point, I'm starting to consider something may be going on after all - it seems to happen too often to be easily explained away a…
Usually when I see this sort of coincidence, I think that it is a matter of information relevance/leakage.
You read an article about bug spray chemicals and don’t think about it, but start seeing exterminator ads online. If you read the article because you’re looking for pest control, the it feels suspicious. If you’re not, you ignore the ads and go on your way.
I don’t want to discount your experience. I haven’t seen it myself, but maybe I’m not paying enough attention.
Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why do you think Google would sell pii? It doesn't make business sense. In these discussions, "selling PII" is sometimes a short for "providing a service that allows targeting ads based on PII without actually releasing PII itself to the service users", which is only a little less bad.
Given the context, it's clear that's not what GP means. Also, from a privacy perspective, there is a vast difference between the two. One person who you trust to keep your data safe (but not to use it in ways you find ethical necessarily) is vastly different from them giving it to other parties who you don't know.
That is exactly what I meant. You use PII to create whatever product(s) you sell to 3rds. I read the EULA over a decade ago. Good on Goog for stating it plainly. My answer is still, NO. Even when I go to .govs & other sites using Goog apis(UBO). More people would concur if they had an idea of how much all the minutia the SV giants(& the other alphabets)hoover up about our lives. And how it's used against us in daily commerce.
As for your red herring, I can only guess how mal-scans can be monetized. If anyone can do it, I have no doubt Goog will.
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Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given the context, it's clear that's not what GP means. Also, from a privacy perspective, there is a vast difference between the two. One person who you trust to keep your data safe (but not to use it in ways you find ethical necessarily) is vastly different from them giving it to other parties who you don't know.
I don't think the difference is that vast in practice. What's currently stopping evil actors from exfiltrating data from Google's PII through buying narrowly targeted ads, each time with slightly different targeting, and intersecting these results to build a more detailed picture of people who viewed the ads?
He/she is being deliberately obtuse & slippery. I believe their NDAs prohibit any kind of frank or unscripted conversations, you know, to protect the soulless citizen, Alphabet.
Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#196What the hell is going on in the comments here? It's like half the comments are edgelords with some version of "i am shocked that an advertising company would do such a thing" Has HN just turned into Reddit? Do people really not care that people's privacy is being dumped down the toilet? Google is known for shit like this. They even scan your emails and alert you when bills are due. Shit like that is not ok . Don't f…
Apologists. I don't get it either.
Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given the context, it's clear that's not what GP means. Also, from a privacy perspective, there is a vast difference between the two. One person who you trust to keep your data safe (but not to use it in ways you find ethical necessarily) is vastly different from them giving it to other parties who you don't know.
That is exactly what I meant. You use PII to create whatever product(s) you sell to 3rds. I read the EULA over a decade ago. Good on Goog for stating it plainly. My answer is still, NO. Even when I go to .govs & other sites using Goog apis(UBO). More people would concur if they had an idea of how much all the minutia the SV giants(& the other alphabets)hoover up about our lives. And how it's used against us in daily…
> As for your red herring, I can only guess how mal-scans can be monetized. If anyone can do it, I have no doubt Goog will.
Well yes, they're very clearly monetized: Google supplies a email service which it sells to businesses as part of GSuite. One of the selling points of this email service is spam protection. Is that a bad thing?
> You use PII to create whatever product(s) you sell to 3rds.
Ok, so if your concern is that a company has your PII, that's a concern I guess. But it makes it difficult to use the internet (or, like, shop at stores), since there are all kinds of companies that gobble up your PII but don't tell you or give you control over it (whereas Google does, for example, let you delete the data it has on you and control collection of much of the data it collects).
If you're going to argue that Google is bad for the same reason that your credit card company and Amazon and CVS are bad, then sure they all have your PII, but I'd still argue that Google behaves more ethically than the others when dealing with it.
Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just like they would never scan the content of your emails and serve up targeted ads based on that... Oh, wait, they were doing that up until 2017...
And they were upfront with it. When GMail was released, they straight up told users that’s how they were paying for the enormous 1GB storage.
I don’t think users really understood this, both in fact and in practice. Now, you may rightly argue that this is on the users, but I’d just say that perspectives have changed drastically.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're spreading conspiracy theories. There is no way Google is listening to your phone calls and using the information for ads.
The NSA on the other hand... well, I'll just say that every once in a while, when I lose something, I'll whisper into my phone: "I know you're listening, I know you're watching. And I really need to find my car keys". Then I'll wait 5 minutes or so, and step outside, and there will be a small note taped to my door. Last time it said, "You left them in the car --a friend"
"The Secret Police said 'We have secrets. We have many secrets. We desire all secrets. We do not have your secrets and that is what we are after, your secrets. ... However our mood is melancholy. There is a secret sigh that we sigh, secretly. We yearn to be known, acknowledged, admired even. What is the good of omnipotence if nobody knows? However that is a secret, that sorrow."'
"Engineer-Private Paul Klee Misplaces an Airplane Between Milbertshofen and Cambrai, March 1916", Donald Barthelme
Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands
#200What the hell is going on in the comments here? It's like half the comments are edgelords with some version of "i am shocked that an advertising company would do such a thing" Has HN just turned into Reddit? Do people really not care that people's privacy is being dumped down the toilet? Google is known for shit like this. They even scan your emails and alert you when bills are due. Shit like that is not ok . Don't f…
Hide from it, run from it, Eternal September arrives all the same. It was bound to happen. Honestly, it's a miracle and really hard work from dang to delay it for this long