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On Trouser Pockets

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> awful hip pocket bulges Who says they're awful? Why do they say that? We must be informed and skeptical consumers.

Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you…

> The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette.

See, I think you've missed what everyone in this thread is trying to get at. The defense of cargo pants is based on a pretty simple dialectic:

· Who determines what is fashionable or "aesthetic"?

Mostly, the people who design, sell, and advertise clothes. And also, people who directly profit off of being fashionable.

· What metrics do they use to decide what they're going to call fashionable?

Mostly, whatever will allow them to change styles from year to year and sell as many products as possible and maintain their position at the top of the fashion world.

· Is it in our interests to buy into this system of fashion?

No! In fact this dialectic has shown that fashion is basically bullshit, and that it's not just morally neutral but good to resist! To try to come up with our own fashions based on what appeals to us personally or simply wearing whatever has the most utility.

For the record, I don't necessarily agree with this argument (I lean towards fashion-neutral), but I think this pattern of thinking is extremely common in hacker culture. While I'm cynical about how fashion is created, I don't wear cargo pants either, but that's because I find them much less comfortable than a straight (not slim) cut pair of jeans.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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The problem statement discusses the undesirable trade-offs of tight/skinny jeans, yet the model solution isn't even remotely representative of the framework that it suggestively seeks to improve.

I can't help but see this pocket as a liability; a cost-saving excuse to omit a proper securing mechanism of sorts shrouded by a pitch of being innovative. In a perfectly postured world with 2 operational modes--standing and sitting--this might be good enough, but I'd hardly be willing to risk yet another $600+ cellphone to find out when I'm crouching, squatting, gargoyling, kicking legs up, riding a bike, in a sports car bucket seat, etc.

Furthermore, if it's easy for you to slip your phone in and out of, then it'll also be easy for thieves to do so as well.

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For women the problem is worse since we are too curvy to use the exact location of pockets even when clothes are baggy. I find the solution interesting even for women. I solved the same problem by putting the pockets horizontally at the waist. I will try moving the pocket down to the upper leg.

I suggest, as I stated in my other post, looking at the LuLuLemon pockets - specifically, having the pocket be a webbing/spandex material which cinches the contents of the pocket to the body such that it doesnt flop about and also secures the contents into the pocket. I like the horizontal, but maybe a 15 degree angle would be best, however, do the horiz pockets get in the way when you sit?

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post #97
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> awful hip pocket bulges Who says they're awful? Why do they say that? We must be informed and skeptical consumers.

Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you…

> Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification?

Yes, which is why I'm suspicious of people who make dictates and maxims about fashion.

My point is that those maxims were created by people who have an obvious incentive to sell you more things, and having you supplement pants with carrying bags would benefit them.

We must also take unconscious racism and classism into account when judging the fashion dictates of others: "Big pockets make it look like you work for a living! We must therefore shun big pockets!" is not exactly value-neutral.

Also:

> Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain.

Good thing we're not talking about hip pockets, but pockets farther down the leg.

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You should checkout running tights, pants and shorts. Nearly all brands are implementing this kind of different pockets and zippers. Both women and men design differs for their anatomy as well.

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Yeah, when I have a moment I'll rewrite that section. I clearly missed the mark tonally. At least I know folks read all the way to the end, I suppose.

I don't think you missed the mark. Some people just like military cosplay a lot and get offended when you call out what they're doing.

Thinking cargo pants are "lesser" for being associated with manual labor is just disgustingly classist.

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I'd be curious to know how other people are handling this problem without employing cargo pants or custom clothing like this. I'm a guy who likes wearing skinny jeans and agree that stuffing a wallet, too many security keys, a knife, and a huge phone into the pockets kind of distorts the aesthetic. Do other guys / girls just carry their stuff in backpacks?

You never noticed that lots of people have purses? They are designed to solve exactly this problem :) Jeans designed for women tend to have smaller pockets and of course a legging or a skirt or dress doesn’t have pockets at all. The big downside with purses is that they require your hands and you can forget them on a train, unlike your pockets. I imagine that’s why in urban areas the small corded Gucci/Louis Vuitton…

I should have read the article, it actually explains how pockets used to be separate garments, worn over or under clothing. It looks like this approach has come back in fashion. Programmers can appreciate the modularity!

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The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you'd think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don't have the problem they solve. It's an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the p…

Absolutely. At first I was intensely disappointed by the post ("why so wordy?", "why no pictures?"), but then I got to the design part and said "holy shit I want this". If people are happy with their cargo pants, no worries . It doesn't conform to a lot of current fashion aesthetic, but if that doesn't hit a person's radar, then cool, great. But a lot of people in the thread here are feeling attacked because someone…

This is denigrating cargo pants because they're associated with manual labor. It's classist, and, to some extent, racist.

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Carhartt makes pants with a "cell-phone" pocket that approximates the author's design. They're great -- they've become a stalwart in my rotation. Durability is mixed, but I'm in love with the pocket. https://www.carhartt.com/products/Rugged-Work-Khaki-Pant-100...

Exactly - and they are not the only ones.

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The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you'd think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don't have the problem they solve. It's an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the p…

The dismissiveness comes from dismissing cargo pants for being associated with manual labor.
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