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Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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incidentally, you’re describing a key limitation of economic systems, whereby value as represented by price doesn’t reflect holistic utility to infinitely-complex humans and human societies. it’s true of basically everything, including stocks (efficient markets and all that), and forms the basis of a material critique of laissez faire capitalism.

This is interesting. The way I understood the work of von Neumann and Morgenstern on game theory, there is an extensive discussion of utility and the derived ordering on preferences. I interpret recent work on behavioral economics as building on their work to call into question the claim that one can easily estimate such a utility function for an economic agent in a manner invariant to the internal state of that agen…

yes, i'd heard it talked about in relation to environmental economics, and about externalities in general, e.g., "how do you price in externalities like pollution in relation to our emotional enjoyment of nature?"

utility is neat in theory, but seems to be messy in practice. it's one thing to spell out the relationship, but another to calculate an analytic solution (from my limited mathematical experience, navier-stokes comes to mind in this regard).

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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Great idea. I've just signed up and made my first deposit. I must say, though, that "Show my name to everyone" and "Show my name to friends" being default-on (and not obviously so) already erodes quite a bit of my trust, and I'm considering withdrawing my money as a result. My savings, for me, are an entirely private matter.

Thanks for this feedback.

Did you know that this is only to show your first name on a leaderboard if you win prizes above a certain threshold or did you take this to mean something else?

Wondering if it's an issue of it not being clear what it means or if even knowing what it means, it still is a privacy concern for you.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#193

This is really cool! From what I've seen (though my knowledge is certainly not comprehensive) so many of the fin-tech/challenger bank apps and options that have sprung up over the past few years don't really have that interesting hook to differentiate themselves from one another. It looks like you guys have something special here. (It at least caught my attention :)) I don't know the economics around acquisition/rete…

For sure. These are all really interesting topics. We have thought about a lot of this, but would love to chat in more depth. Shoot me an email at adam@withyotta.com and let's connect to talk live.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#194

This is the best fintech app I've ever seen. If y'all could get the interest rate up, there would be no reason not to use this. I'm not using this today because I get 1.05% with Marcus.

There's some confusion we probably need to clear up on what our "rate" is. Our base rate if you win no prizes ever is 0.20%. Including the expected value of prizes it's above Marcus today.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#195

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This excludes any value from prizes, which is the bulk of the value of Yotta. 0.2% is what you get if you never win a prize, ever.

I might get around to doing the math myself, but what would be the APY given the expected earnings I calculated above with an average American savings account of say $7,000.

The EV on an annualized basis is around 3% right now because we are subsidizing some of the prizes currently. In the long run we will aim to match Marcus and Ally, which right now are at around ~1% but go up or down depending on market cycles.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#196
post #189

Great idea. I've just signed up and made my first deposit. I must say, though, that "Show my name to everyone" and "Show my name to friends" being default-on (and not obviously so) already erodes quite a bit of my trust, and I'm considering withdrawing my money as a result. My savings, for me, are an entirely private matter.

Thanks for this feedback. Did you know that this is only to show your first name on a leaderboard if you win prizes above a certain threshold or did you take this to mean something else? Wondering if it's an issue of it not being clear what it means or if even knowing what it means, it still is a privacy concern for you.

I figured that it would allow my name to be shown upon winning any prizes, although there being a threshold doesn't impact my feelings about it. Either way, I'm not interested in people knowing anything about my savings, and I was surprised that this was default-on and buried in the Privacy section, where I only had clicked out of curiosity.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

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post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for this feedback. Did you know that this is only to show your first name on a leaderboard if you win prizes above a certain threshold or did you take this to mean something else? Wondering if it's an issue of it not being clear what it means or if even knowing what it means, it still is a privacy concern for you.

I figured that it would allow my name to be shown upon winning any prizes, although there being a threshold doesn't impact my feelings about it. Either way, I'm not interested in people knowing anything about my savings, and I was surprised that this was default-on and buried in the Privacy section, where I only had clicked out of curiosity.

Makes sense. We will look into making this option clearer to the user so they have to explicitly choose which option they want.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#198
post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured that it would allow my name to be shown upon winning any prizes, although there being a threshold doesn't impact my feelings about it. Either way, I'm not interested in people knowing anything about my savings, and I was surprised that this was default-on and buried in the Privacy section, where I only had clicked out of curiosity.

Makes sense. We will look into making this option clearer to the user so they have to explicitly choose which option they want.

That's good to hear; thanks for the quick response.

(As for the first name thing, just FYI: in my case, my first name + last initial fully identify me.)

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#199

Some years ago I built a digital piggy bank to help people save money automatically. The psychology behind the product is really hard. The biggest challenges is that you only see the value of saving money after a long time. Everybody knows they should do it, but it's easier to postpone as it's painful and hard to do in a daily basis. Yotta solves this with an amazing approach. You get the long term reward of saving m…

Yes this is exactly what we are going for. Would love to chat about more of any learnings you have from your digital piggy bank savings concept. Saw your e-mail and will follow up with you there.

Re: Launch HN: Yotta Savings (YC S20) – Behavioral psychology to help people save

#200
The interest rate (.2%) is very, very small.

I'm currently getting 2% from a non-FDIC insured institution, but there are many examples of FDIC-insured accounts with far greater returns.

Axos - 1.09% https://www.axosbank.com/Personal/Savings/High-Yield-Savings

CIT - .95% https://www.cit.com/cit-bank/bank/savings/savings-builder-ac...

T-Mobile Money - 4% (up to $3,000) https://www.t-mobilemoney.com/en/home.html

I'm a large fan of behavioral finance (read Misbehaving, in Thinking Fast & Slow), etc. -- but this feels like a huge disadvantage to be giving people. Unless you have math that says the average winnings people will get will make up for the .7-8% difference you see other institutions giving?

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