Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

medrxiv.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 266 posts

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#191

Post by olva22 »

LinuxBender wrote: post #142
cj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The study mentions 1,000 IU D3 dosage. A quick google turns up a rough figure of 60,000 IU "daily for multiple months" can become toxic. You're probably right, most things taken at 100x the normal dose for long period of time are toxic. (Water included)

Just anecdotal observation, I have been taking 40,000 IU D3, 800mcg K2, 400mg Magnesium among other things, daily for 3+ years, no issue. I had to work my way up to that. I've been reversing calcium buildup in my vascular system to lower my CaC score. I know of many people doing the same thing, some longer than I have been. We are all doing good. I also stay well hydrated.

Sorry a bit off-topic, but what form of K2 and magnesium do you take? Can you point me to your protocol to reverse calcium buildup?

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#192

Post by devy »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #19
mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

Genuine question: so how do we fix nutrient deficiency for vast majority of people world-wide?

It's probably not a feasible solution to require these people eat healthy nutrient-rich foods due to economical and culture and personal choice reasons. Are vitamin supplements a feasible solution?

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#193

Post by exclusiv »

gizmo wrote: post #136
cseleborg wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always wondered about this deficiency thing. How is it defined, and does it make any sense to claim that such a large part of the population is deficient? Shouldn't that be considered "normal" (excluding the truly pathological cases), as opposed to "above-average"?

Excess Vitamin D doesn't do anything (within reason), but the immune system doesn't work properly when you're vitamin D deficient, and this is something we can measure. Humans haven't evolved for an entirely indoor lifestyle, and we need daily direct sunlight in order to function properly.

I do 5000 IU per day. NIH recommends 600 IU for most people [1]. The Institute of Medicine says 4k IU as the safe upper level of daily intake.

Vitamin D does wonders for my skin. Not once did a dermatologist suggest I could be deficient. I figured it out on my own.

Here is a good resource for research on vitamins and minerals and their applications:

https://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/snake-...

[1] https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-Consumer/

[2] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-much-vitamin-d-is-t...

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#195

Post by asveikau »

jibbit wrote: post #158
cseleborg wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always wondered about this deficiency thing. How is it defined, and does it make any sense to claim that such a large part of the population is deficient? Shouldn't that be considered "normal" (excluding the truly pathological cases), as opposed to "above-average"?

Similarly with drinking 3 litres of water a day, or you're dehydrated. How did our ancestors get 3 litres of water a day? Seems like the first person ever who wasn't dehydrated was born around 1985.

I don't know how true it is and I don't remember the source, but I recall hearing somewhere that you also get a lot of hydration through food sources. So it's not necessarily that you need to drink a lot of water to stay hydrated.

I guess that might also be why people say to drink more water when you have diarrhea. The absorption of water that usually happens during digestion is not occurring.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#196

Post by vanderZwan »

nkingsy wrote: post #85
pen2l wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but come on, most everyone don't take it in unsuitable amounts just like they don't drink 6 gallons of water every day. Taking vitamin D for the average American will surely help in keeping good immunity, bone health, etc.

D supplements as well as fish oil were thought promising until studies showed they did not really do what they were advertised to do in supplement form. https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/clinical-trials/201...

How typical that you get downvoted when you're one of the few here to actually cite a source for your claim.

I do wonder though if this is an important caveat though:

> among healthy participants.

.. since the rest of the discussion resolves around adding supplements to fight shortages. If "healthy" implies not have said vitamin D shortage then that is still a useful study but doesn't disprove the thesis that taking supplements is probably a good idea.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#197

Post by SomeoneFromCA »

ageitgey wrote: post #79
7thaccount wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromebooks are good for a lot of things (especially entertaining young kids) and are cheap. I find the quality to be much better than kid tablets which are terribly glitchy. A Windows laptop with only 2 GB of RAM (shocked you could still get that little) is like $400 and much larger than a Chromebook. Powerstrips are necessary for makeshift home offices which are now everywhere. Hairclippers are important for people…

Are you a GPT-2 bot or something?

Might be an MBR bot as well.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#198

Post by WillDaSilva »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #183
mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

Absolutely. The Western diet primarily has very little variety in it. 55% of our diet comes from boxes/processed food which is almost entirely made up of only 3 things: Oil, Processed flour, sugar, and maybe some dairy. The vast majority of our diet is: meat, dairy, oil, sugar and flour. Oil and Sugar have 0 nutrients. Highly processed flour has little nutrients, but it does have some: the problem it's super deficien…

I think you're confused about the meaning of "nutrient". Oils, or more generally fats/lipids, are macronutrients[1], as is the case with sugar and "highly processed flour". A diet with a variety of different foods (whether they come in boxes or are "processed" is irrelevant in general) and a good balance of macronutrients and micronutrients is healthy.

I'd say the largest public health issue related to this is that most people eat an overabundance of carbs. The next most important is that people don't eat a large enough variety of foods (or supplements) to get sufficient micronutrients.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#199

Post by ISL »

devy wrote: post #192
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

Genuine question: so how do we fix nutrient deficiency for vast majority of people world-wide? It's probably not a feasible solution to require these people eat healthy nutrient-rich foods due to economical and culture and personal choice reasons. Are vitamin supplements a feasible solution?

This is the reason that many breakfast cereals are fortified with vitamins and minerals.

It actually causes me to select otherwise "lower-grade" cereals than I might otherwise purchase. Fancier/healthier, more "natural", choices are not fortified.

Alternatively, a multivitamin intrinsically yields the same results.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#200

Post by asveikau »

ethagnawl wrote: post #50
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

> If I was filthy rich I would get nutrient levels measured once a week. This sounds similar to what services like Viome ( https://www.viome.com ) do. Though, their intervals (at least Viome's) are much longer.

Sounds helpful from the marketing text but pretty expensive.

If they could get that cheaper you could get people signing up out of curiosity. But when you see they want $200-$600 for this you start to get suspicious: what are you actually getting? Is it vetted by somebody? Etc.

Post reply on HN