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Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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There are still a lot people spreading the misinformation that hetero sex is as risky as anal sex, because they have some odd agenda to push.

You understand heterosexual people have anal sex too, right? It's become quite trendy.

Everyone here knows precisely what was being discussed. Me, the writer, you. Why quibble?

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It's pointless to try to prove anything to conspiracionists, they'll just tweak their stories and continue as if nothing happened. Anything that goes against their narrative is ignored and quickly forgotten, anything that appears to remotely vaguely confirm their beliefs is amplified and repeated ad nauseam. Don't waste your time with them. You cannot reason people out of something they were not reasoned into.

Every conspiracionist beyond hope was once not quite beyond hope if you go back enough in time, and new ones are getting minted all the time and can still be saved. It's a worthy fight, even though it cannot be thoroughly won.

It has been argued that one saves people from going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories not by giving them the right facts, but by ensuring that they do not feel alone and isolated in society. Speaking with Flat Earthers can reveal that they accepted Flat Earthism simply because it gave them some feeling of community with other people on the internet, and the belief in a flat Earth itself isn’t actually the point.

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does gain of function require directly engineering the sequence? i saw one gain of function expeeiment where a cat virus was exposed to mouse material, and underwent zoonosis on its own additionally the sequence can just be manually copied over that paper for some reason ignores plausible alternative approaches to creating viruses in the lab

Are you suggesting serial passage in the lab? The problem with that theory is that the virus contains thousands of mutations throughout its genome, which would take decades of evolution to accumulate. In the wild, this virus jumps to a new host every few days, meaning that decades of evolution amount to thousands of generations of virus. No lab has the time to pass virus through so many animals.

i dont understand why it would have to jump through a bunch of animals first. cant it go from bat to human?

fauci was conducting coronavirus gain of function experiments in wuhan in 2019 trying to go from bat to human, so at least some scientists didn't consider the evolutionary distance to be so great

UPDATE: newsweek article on fauci https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan...

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

#194

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There are still a lot people spreading the misinformation that hetero sex is as risky as anal sex, because they have some odd agenda to push.

You understand heterosexual people have anal sex too, right? It's become quite trendy.

I suppose I should have written "vaginal sex". ...but the majority of hetero sex is still penis-in-vagina so I think my comment is still mostly correct.

The fact that it was downvoted sort of underscores my point, that people prefer reinforcing their feelings, rather than know the truth.

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I was referring to the same claims spread in the West, e.g.: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/historys-greates... "Based on the theories of Dr William Campbell Douglass, many believe that that HIV was genetically engineered" "William Campbell Douglass, M.D. Education: BS, University of Rochester, New York; MD, University of Miami School of Medicine; Graduate, U.S. Navy School of Aviation and Space Medicine…

> And "we know who" now spreads the disinformation about the COVID-19 virus (I won't intentionally mention him, he has too much fans here). Are you referring to President Xi?

Elon Musk

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post #193

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Are you suggesting serial passage in the lab? The problem with that theory is that the virus contains thousands of mutations throughout its genome, which would take decades of evolution to accumulate. In the wild, this virus jumps to a new host every few days, meaning that decades of evolution amount to thousands of generations of virus. No lab has the time to pass virus through so many animals.

i dont understand why it would have to jump through a bunch of animals first. cant it go from bat to human? fauci was conducting coronavirus gain of function experiments in wuhan in 2019 trying to go from bat to human, so at least some scientists didn't consider the evolutionary distance to be so great UPDATE: newsweek article on fauci https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan...

I can't make heads or tails of what you're saying. Fauci was conducting experiments in Wuhan? Where are you getting this from?

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I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

My mother worked in a funeral home from about 1986 to 1997. I recall when they got their first AIDS victim in 1987. They took the body and I don’t recall my Mother freaking out about it. They realized that sooner or later they were going to get remains of someone who had died of AIDS. There were few protocols at the time regarding how to prepare bodies for viewing and I think they simply used common sense. I recall my Mother describing double gloves, smocks, and face shields when dealing with the blood. Despite the times, I think the folks who work in the funeral industry at that time (mostly family run) were truly compassionate about caring for someone’s remains regardless of who they were and didn’t judge. While they had concerns about dealing with this first case, it became routine (sadly) very quickly thereafter. I’d imagine they received referrals from their handling of that first case. And very quickly they started handling all remains are handled as if they were HIV positive.

The only other thing I do recall was some concern on this first case about folks showing up to disrupt the Funeral in part because most of the mourners were from the gay community. So I think they hired the an officer from the local PD to provide security but nothing happened.

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Transmission rates vary widely by sex act. 2/3 of transmissions in the US are between homosexual men. It's not homophobia to observe that some populations are at more risk from HIV.

And in Africa most transmissions are between heterosexuals. But you never hear the same rhetoric about irresponsible promiscuous heteros.

>But you never hear the same rhetoric about irresponsible promiscuous heteros.

We did. Sort of. Heterosexuals weren't singled out for caution about promiscuous sex, because most of the public messaging assumed heterosexual relations anyway. But the emphasis was always on promiscuity.

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I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

This reminds me of an art history class in college; amidst a lecture covering works in the '80s and '90s, the professor just broke down in tears as a lot of the artists he knew personally, and had passed from AIDS at the time...

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Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less dire virus (as far as we know, today) but, we as a species (generally) compared to our individual potential, are absolute idiots and almost always take the easy intellectual route (humor and bullshit) when faced with uncommon information. The video really seems…

“far less dire” is an understatement. HSV-1 causes only cosmetic effects in the vast majority of cases.

Except when it doesn't. HSV encephalitis is not trivial. Post HSV neuralgia is no fun.
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