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Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by maroonblazer »

bbx wrote: post #170

Having used Logic (on and off) for almost a decade, and Ableton for more than that, I recently decided to stop using Logic. I know both softwares pretty well (I read both manuals) but in the end, having 2 DAWs is useless. I think overall, Logic has mostly an audience of "hardware" people. As in: musicians who compose and record with hardware, and then mix in Logic. From the top of my head, Calvin Harris and Disclosur…

>It's weird that they're going into that direction...

I think it's a reflection of the fact that there are (at least) two different kinds of ways to make music:

1. the "traditional" way of recording individual instruments in a more or less linear fashion

2. curating/compiling pieces of pre-recorded audio, aka samples, and triggering a sequence of them on-the-fly, while recording that sequence.

Each calls for a different set of tools and workflow. Logic's roots are in the former but Ableton tapped into the latter. Logic is trying to appeal to both.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by briandear »

danpalmer wrote: post #58
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

Other responses have made great points about why it's worth something, but I'll take another tack: I don't think it costs Apple much to do this. How much does it cost to keep Logic around? There's engineering/product/design costs, marketing, and training/selling costs in store. The training probably pays for itself and not many staff at Apple Stores are trained anyway. There's very little marketing, so it's entirely…

> As for the product/engineering/design, it's well known that Apple is pretty lean on these sorts of things and often has far smaller teams than outsiders expect. I could see this easily being no more than a team of 5 at this point, maybe less.

You are wrong by several orders of magnitude.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by renaudg »

rimliu wrote: post #124
crazygringo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be more specific, and in response to your reply: Together with Final Cut Pro, Apple wants to have Mac-only exclusive software that is aimed specifically at cool creative professionals to build up the image that trendy creatives use Macs (and you therefore have no choice but to use a Mac, otherwise you won't have the software you need). Aperture couldn't really compete with Adobe's whole workflow (since Apple didn'…

As a counterpoint: Capture One is not a direct Photoshop competitor, yet it became very popular among photographers.

It's a direct Lightroom competitor.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by jdietrich »

rorykoehler wrote: post #112
SeanLuke wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's plausible but AVID Pro Tools is even more prestigious than Logic and AVID's market cap is only $250 million[0]. In no universe is Pro Tools more prestigious than any of its competition. I think Pro Tools is viewed as The Thing That All Studio PHB Managers Purchased At Some Point So It's Reasonable For Studio Techs to Be Trained For. Kind of the "nobody ever got fired for picking IBM" of the music industry. I…

Pro Tools is seen as the serious tool while the other DAWs you mention are toys for electronic music producers

Pro Tools has brand recognition amongst non audio engineers and inertia of older engineers who can't be bothered to switch, but no-one actually likes it. Nuendo, Sequoia and SADiE are the Serious Professional options, while Reaper enjoys a growing cult following.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by renaudg »

rorykoehler wrote: post #112
SeanLuke wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's plausible but AVID Pro Tools is even more prestigious than Logic and AVID's market cap is only $250 million[0]. In no universe is Pro Tools more prestigious than any of its competition. I think Pro Tools is viewed as The Thing That All Studio PHB Managers Purchased At Some Point So It's Reasonable For Studio Techs to Be Trained For. Kind of the "nobody ever got fired for picking IBM" of the music industry. I…

Pro Tools is seen as the serious tool while the other DAWs you mention are toys for electronic music producers

20 years ago maybe.

I don't know if you've noticed, but there's hardly any music that isn't electronic these days.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by cageface »

cma wrote: post #181
cageface wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you'd also have to pay that $1000 hardware cost to run any other DAW. Apple laptops aren't that much more than PC laptops with comparable specs anymore.

They have no laptop options that don't have soldered in ram and CPU and proprietary SSDs that cost 2-4X per gigabyte to upgrade. You end up with dongles and external drives, and Logic used to go out of its way to make that hard to manage (it has gotten better within the last year or two).

Are there any PC laptops you recommend for music production? I'd like this Macbook I'm typing on now to be my last.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by matheusmoreira »

SeanLuke wrote: post #87
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

> That's plausible but AVID Pro Tools is even more prestigious than Logic and AVID's market cap is only $250 million[0]. In no universe is Pro Tools more prestigious than any of its competition. I think Pro Tools is viewed as The Thing That All Studio PHB Managers Purchased At Some Point So It's Reasonable For Studio Techs to Be Trained For. Kind of the "nobody ever got fired for picking IBM" of the music industry. I…

> My limited experience with the industry suggests that Ableton, Bitwig, and Logic are the Cool Tools for Producing Music, that Cubase (Steinberg) is particularly popular with composers, that FL Studio is the cool low-cost leader among students, and that Reason is The Outsider. Notice which software is not in this list.

I wonder where a modern tracker such as Renoise fits in. This one even works on Linux.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by keyle »

Is this for catalina only? The irony is that most musicians are held back from Catalina and even older OS X because compatibility issues. E.g. no 32bit apps in Catalina kills a lot of VST and VSTi that many of us need. So No Catalina, No Logic Pro X.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by jaredcwhite »

Logic has been an amazing and deep app for decades, but it's been lagging in recent years with regard to hardcore electronic music production and live performance. This is the update that turns that all around. Live Loops alone would comprise a solid upgrade, and that's just one of the many new marquee features. It's also bananas that existing Logic users can get everything new for freeeeeeee!

Sure, this whole release is small potatoes in the larger world of Apple, but for a long-time Logic user like me, today's Christmas. :)

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