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X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by kingosticks »

kdamica wrote: post #4

I've been using VcXsrv ( https://sourceforge.net/projects/vcxsrv/ ) to do the same thing for a few months. It works well in most cases, but it can be janky. The scaling doesn't always work well if you're using a hidpi screen, and I had one application that was crashing consistently under certain circumstances. Definitely going to try this out, but I wonder if it's worth paying for when I have a free alternative that…

I've been using it for literally years to access the GUIs of programs running on Linux workstations from my Windows 10 machine over our LAN. I don't think it's ever crashed for me with the 3 or 4 programs I run but it's sometimes a little slow, although I'm not convinced that's the fault of vcxsrv. I have no other problems with it, my experience with scaling has been surprisingly good. I see no reason to pay for an alternative.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by syockit »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #188
syockit wrote: post #60

I (and most of my colleagues) stopped using vcxsrv at my workplace since we moved from Qt4 to Qt5. At some point in between, Qt stopped supporting native X11 painting[1] which means all of the graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client. That easily hoses up our network. The problem is more exarcebated now that Japan has declared state of emergency and everyone is urged to work fro…

> We now resort to using VNC solutions. Isn's this just ... > graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client. ?

Yes, but with multiple compression technology available. I use RealVNC where there is only one knob for controlling image quality, but in TightVNC for example there's a choice of using zlib, RRE, hextile and its very own Tight encoding[1]. The problem with Qt over X is that it tries to send every frame on every redraw event. With VNC this is automatically limited by the frame rate.

[1] https://www.tightvnc.com/vncviewer.1.php

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

I picked it up for around 10 IIRC. Have also used Xming in the past (not on Win10). Liked how simple and easy X410 was to setup. It worked flawlessly with WSL.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by selfishgene »

cookiecaper wrote: post #22
ahupp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought it for $10 ("$40 off") and that's still how its listed for me. I never tried the other free options but reviews online were consistent that X410 was good. I've been happy with it.

Same, that was probably at least a year ago. For all intents and purposes, it's $10. I've also been pretty happy with it, and substantive new features are added regularly. There's a couple little annoyances from the design assumption that the user's main interest is WSL, but for the most part, it's been much smoother than the other X11-for-Win32 variants. Support was recently added for listening on a hyperv vsock, bu…

What do you mean by "reverse the tunnel" and what would you hope to get done with it?

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by selfishgene »

JeremyNT wrote: post #126
syockit wrote: post #60

I (and most of my colleagues) stopped using vcxsrv at my workplace since we moved from Qt4 to Qt5. At some point in between, Qt stopped supporting native X11 painting[1] which means all of the graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client. That easily hoses up our network. The problem is more exarcebated now that Japan has declared state of emergency and everyone is urged to work fro…

I've used xpra in situations where x forwarding is not performant enough. It's got some rough edges but it works very well over low bandwidth connections.

Does Xpra support VSOCK connection between host and guest (which avoids latency of network stack) with WSL like X410?

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by dang »

oefrha wrote: post #25
joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

Sorry to break it to you, but there’s nothing immoral about repackaging open source software (even if there’s no value-add at all, which is not true in this case) and trying to make a living out of it, as long as it respects the license of the project being repackaged. On a more personal note, I checked out your profile and you don’t seem to be contributing to open source much, so maybe first try to bring us somethin…

Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how little someone else has contributed to open source or how mad their comment makes you feel.

It's particularly not ok to bring someone else's personal details as ammunition in an argument (or attempt to): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... But please omit the name-calling ('leecher') and snark ('sorry to break it to you') also.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by ajross »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62
joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

Red Hat made its fortune selling licenses with support contracts for software to risk-averse industrires. That the software happened to be free wasn't really relevant to the revenue stream except insofar as it made it cheaper for Red Hat to provide the service.

I don't see how a desktop X server is going to tap into that need.

I mean... I've been using and relatively happy with the Cygwin X server integration for more than a decade. I'm not about to drop $50 on a polished replacement.

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