What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

Post by pastage » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:16 PM UTC

shalmanese wrote: post #144

pastage wrote: post #136

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That is hard to answer can you anser what kind of contact tracing are you missing in "the West", and what level of privacy invasion are you comparing it against. In the first stages of Corona we did a lot of old school contact tracing.

But this is what I mean when I say "shocking degree of arrogance from the West to refuse to learn even the most basic things from Asia about this." There's many different ways of doing contact tracing that involve myriad tradeoffs. Every Asian country that has rolled it out has had negotiations between the citizens and the government over the various dimensions and how to balance between competing concerns (yes, even…

FWIW that is not my picture, but you are too unspecfic, you do not give any accurate description either, and if there is no such info in "the west" how can I be arrogant, ignorant maybe? The people who care about privacy do not care about how things seem to work for the masses, what is important is the edge cases of privacy.

That does not mean there are other voices in the West. But I do not know what you are looking for, and what you think is bad information.

Post by shalmanese » Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:43 PM UTC

pastage wrote: post #191

shalmanese wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is what I mean when I say "shocking degree of arrogance from the West to refuse to learn even the most basic things from Asia about this." There's many different ways of doing contact tracing that involve myriad tradeoffs. Every Asian country that has rolled it out has had negotiations between the citizens and the government over the various dimensions and how to balance between competing concerns (yes, even…

FWIW that is not my picture, but you are too unspecfic, you do not give any accurate description either, and if there is no such info in "the west" how can I be arrogant, ignorant maybe? The people who care about privacy do not care about how things seem to work for the masses, what is important is the edge cases of privacy. That does not mean there are other voices in the West. But I do not know what you are looking…

Just as a simple example, how do you enforce home quarantine? In Hong Kong, they use a bluetooth bracelet, in Taiwan, they're using a combo of a cell phone tower gate + requiring you to answer the phone and police checking on you if you don't. In China, they have a hardware door sensor that will alert authorities if it's opened. In South Korea, I think they're also using cell phone tower gates.

Each approach has different pros & cons when it comes to privacy and effectiveness. Which one specifically do people think is acceptable and unacceptable?

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