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Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by AaronFriel »

This is just like when Google Maps was blocked on Windows Phone[1] and when they decided to block YouTube as well[2]. Microsoft now finds themselves in the same position their competitors found themselves in the IE6 era. Google is behaving, if anything, worse, and using its massive reach and user base to stifle competition.

This is deeply disappointing, and all the more reason Microsoft never should have adopted Chromium. They will eventually have to maintain a hard fork, the differences will grow such that they eventually have to increase their engineering spend on it to keep pace with just managing the rebases and patches or reimplement features themselves, and despite all the good will they had for the Chromium team they will see none of it returned by the larger Google/Alphabet corporation.

They should have based Edge on Gecko and invested money in taking marketshare away from Chromium so that the W3C/WHATWG can operate as intended with multiple implementations for a single specification. Instead they embraced the Chrome monoculture and were either treated in bad faith or the Chromium team mistakenly believed everything would be fine with a reset in relations. The result will be that Google retains a veto on web technology that competes with them for the next decade or more.

Use Firefox, everyone.

[1] https://mashable.com/2013/01/05/google-maps-windows-phone/

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/16/4627342/microsoft-google-...

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by Yizahi »

freeone3000 wrote: post #131
Yizahi wrote: post #107

Microsoft may experience firsthand what can happen when you build your business on competitors platform. I'm exaggerating of course but essentially it may happen. The good news is that MS is probably the only company which can actually maintain its own browser in a case if Google goes completely hostile on them. Then this mythical thing called Chromium may materialize as an independent entity from Google, making diff…

They did maintain their own browser. It was called Edge.

That was my point - they have real experience creating and maintaining browsers, unlike most other corporations.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by Yizahi »

dehrmann wrote: post #175
Yizahi wrote: post #107

Microsoft may experience firsthand what can happen when you build your business on competitors platform. I'm exaggerating of course but essentially it may happen. The good news is that MS is probably the only company which can actually maintain its own browser in a case if Google goes completely hostile on them. Then this mythical thing called Chromium may materialize as an independent entity from Google, making diff…

Chrome was originally based on Webkit, and that's a fork of KHTML, so Google at least knows all about building on a competitor's platform.

Yes, but now Google took over and did so very thoroughly. Chrome=Google now.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by throwaway17_17 »

pingyong wrote: post #40
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

If you're ever wondering how much data Chrome sucks out of you, the amount of effort Google goes through to try to keep people from using even Chrome-Edge, let alone Firefox, should give you a rough idea. Microsoft probably won't be much better though in the long run...

Microsoft may not be any better, but at least they don’t pretend that they are after anything but profit. Google still tries on occasion to put a socially responsible, caring, small indie front, despite the fact that everyone should know better by now.

— I am making no judgment calls on the validity of profit motive, nor am I saying that Google is any more evil for having one. It is the blatant doublespeak about what Google is and does that grates my nerves.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

ArchReaper wrote: post #185
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is part of the reason I use Safari as my default browser

Why? Safari is the worst out of all of the current options as far as CSS rendering goes.

So not everyone on my team is using Chrome to view the sites we’re working on.

But also, ime, Safari has the best UX of all the browsers I’ve tried.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by viridian »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #144
Retric wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If developers use Firefox instead of Chrome you do get some rendering bugs in Chrome. Standard compliance have gotten much better, but at one point in my last project Edge, Safari, Chrome, and Firefox where all doing different things while I was trying to fix an odd CSS issue.

This is part of the reason I use Safari as my default browser

I hope this is a joke. Safari is easily the worst of the big four, and view web standards as suggestions that are to be ignored at any time. My company doesn't support IE anymore, but safari, not edge, is the new hated browser for web dev for sure.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

viridian wrote: post #198
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is part of the reason I use Safari as my default browser

I hope this is a joke. Safari is easily the worst of the big four, and view web standards as suggestions that are to be ignored at any time. My company doesn't support IE anymore, but safari, not edge, is the new hated browser for web dev for sure.

I use Safari so that someone captures user issues that result from developing for Chrome. Other people on the team use mostly Firefox/Chrome so we have coverage of all the major browsers we target.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by fizixer »

josteink wrote: post #187
fizixer wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox does 'gah! your tab just crashed' on my amazon tabs at a rate of about 1 in every 4 times. Once it decides to do that on a particular tab, no amount of refresh or reopen, or restart-firefox fixes it. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, and this has been happening consistently for the last 5+ years. Every. single. goshdarn. effing. firefox. release. (sorry just wanted to vent. I've tried every solution I could find on ask…

> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, and this has been happening consistently for the last 5+ years. Might help updating to a modern version of Ubuntu with a modern kernel and modern (and less buggy) GPU drivers? Browsers are increasingly using GPU-acceleration these days. If your GPU drivers are buggy, that can probably cause a whole lot of “fun”.

Or I could be a happy camper of Chrome/Chromium for as long as I like.
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