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Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by dwmcqueen »

chrisco255 wrote: post #118
jorblumesea wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

You understand that the Obama administration oversaw an illicit investigation of a political rival on the basis of the Steele dossier, which was bought and paid for by the DNC. The FBI and CIA knew the Russia narrative was false and pushed it anyways. Look if you need a Progressive source for this info because you can't appreciate alternative points of view, then Jimmy Dore did a very good job of breaking it down: ht…

I forget how much Carter Page was a political rival of Barack Obama somehow.

Thanks for the reminder.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by dwmcqueen »

_4byd wrote: post #128
akhilcacharya wrote: post #11

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One of the most jarring things about the impeachment saga was Trump supporters defending him by saying "all presidents do it". Fundamentally the issue is norms are easy to break if a bunch of people don't know what they are and don't care enough to find out.

You may be missing the point. When you look past the double standard, the criminality (collusion, corruption, embezzlement, lies, favorable pardons and lack of prosecution) is disproportionately on one side. And of course there’s the tiny detail that Trump had to conquer the corruption of the Republican Party first to even broach the Democrats. See all the #nevertrump senators that prioritized #resisting Trump in spi…

You mean "increase," not "conquer."

No conquering has occurred.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by _4byd »

dwmcqueen wrote: post #192
_4byd wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be missing the point. When you look past the double standard, the criminality (collusion, corruption, embezzlement, lies, favorable pardons and lack of prosecution) is disproportionately on one side. And of course there’s the tiny detail that Trump had to conquer the corruption of the Republican Party first to even broach the Democrats. See all the #nevertrump senators that prioritized #resisting Trump in spi…

You mean "increase," not "conquer." No conquering has occurred.

Lol. Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Bill Kristol, both president Bushes and Jeb, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, James Comey, Robert Gates, Schwarzenegger, and literally dozens of Republican Congressmen all prove you wrong.

When exactly did you realize you were living in a Fake News echo chamber where obvious facts don’t matter to you?

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by dragonwriter »

dwmcqueen wrote: post #192
_4byd wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be missing the point. When you look past the double standard, the criminality (collusion, corruption, embezzlement, lies, favorable pardons and lack of prosecution) is disproportionately on one side. And of course there’s the tiny detail that Trump had to conquer the corruption of the Republican Party first to even broach the Democrats. See all the #nevertrump senators that prioritized #resisting Trump in spi…

You mean "increase," not "conquer." No conquering has occurred.

> > Trump had to conquer the corruption of the Republican Party

> You mean "increase," not "conquer."

“Conquer”, as in “forcibly assume control of”, seems quite accurate. Insofar as there was corruption in the Party before Trump, that corruption is now firmly in service to Trump.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by dragonwriter »

_4byd wrote: post #193
dwmcqueen wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean "increase," not "conquer." No conquering has occurred.

Lol. Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Bill Kristol, both president Bushes and Jeb, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, James Comey, Robert Gates, Schwarzenegger, and literally dozens of Republican Congressmen all prove you wrong. When exactly did you realize you were living in a Fake News echo chamber where obvious facts don’t matter to you?

> Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Bill Kristol, both president Bushes and Jeb, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, James Comey, Robert Gates, Schwarzenegger, and literally dozens of Republican Congressmen all prove you wrong.

In what way are those “the corruption of the Republican. party” that Trump has “conquered”? While there might be some sense that that phrase makes sense, it certainly isn't in reference to the people you name, whom are neither particularly corrupt (certainly not the scale of Trump) nor has Trump conquered them (he certainly has conquered the Republican Party at their expense, but that doesn't justify the claim about corruption.)

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by foobar_ »

2J0 wrote: post #189
foobar_ wrote: post #176

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Throw shoes at Ellison. 10000s of shoes with flyers in them about FSF ;) This is just another iteration of BSD vs UNIX. This is so silly. It's like every toy compiler has to pay a license because it looks like "C", even if you make money and other software with it. As long as they did not "literally" steal the code, I don't see any reason to bother with Oracle's defense. The same thing happens with MPAA and others, w…

Actually as a corporate person companies are restricted in a very important way: they cannot represent themselves in court, whereas a general partnership can present a partner in court. The fact that directors are employees and only some shareholders may be members actually divided the powers innate to a real person and causes it to be impossible to present a single individual capable of acting in full cognisance and…

> they cannot represent themselves in court

So a corporation can screw many people with legalese, pretending to be everyone's friend and no one gets blamed. It sounds like a convenient loophole to me.

What the fuck is the CEO for then? Its comical because most people treat corporations as the CEO. A vs B is very different from naming names.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by _4byd »

dragonwriter wrote: post #195
_4byd wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Bill Kristol, both president Bushes and Jeb, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, James Comey, Robert Gates, Schwarzenegger, and literally dozens of Republican Congressmen all prove you wrong. When exactly did you realize you were living in a Fake News echo chamber where obvious facts don’t matter to you?

> Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Bill Kristol, both president Bushes and Jeb, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, James Comey, Robert Gates, Schwarzenegger, and literally dozens of Republican Congressmen all prove you wrong. In what way are those “the corruption of the Republican. party” that Trump has “conquered”? While there might be some sense that that phrase makes sense, it certainly isn't in reference to the p…

If you read the parent, its emphasis is on no conquering occurring. Obviously I made clear in the OP that I feel the corruption of the GOP was included in that. The justification that the McCains, Bushes and Romneys are more corrupt is available for anyone with a memory that extends beyond 2016, and there’s no need for you to emphasize your point that Trump is more corrupt. Your position is clear.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by mathattack »

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #2

IMO there's two ways to read this: either A) this is a baldly transparent attempt to "own the libs" and punish a company that the administration sees as a threat or B) they are too incompetent to understand the technical nuances of the case and are essentially morons. Maybe both? This administration can't be thrown out on their collective asses fast enough...

1) Oracle is about as sleazy as it gets.

2) Oracle’s Chief Sleazeball recently hosted a fundraiser for Trump.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by pstuart »

homonculus1 wrote: post #134
pstuart wrote: post #46

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> the same government The same branch of the same country, but with changes in who occupies it they can be vastly different. I greatly dislike the "both sides are the same" narrative, but there were some strong elements of consistency regardless of occupant. The current administration is an entirely new beast that reflects the whims of a single individual. We are in uncharted waters now.

It is the same government. Every power the current administration has at its disposal was granted or expanded at some point in the past into what it is now. The Trump administration is not a paradigm shift toward obscene federal executive power, it has been this way for a long time. The small-government counterargument has always been "You are not going to like this new power when it's inevitably in the hands of the…

> the very same people panicking about imminent fascist takeover are simultaneously panicking that anyone other than the government has guns

Well, you've just proven yourself wrong. I am panicking over a fascist takeover and I don't think that only the government should have guns. I also know that I'm not alone in this sentiment.

> So I don't believe that any event can shock the hubris out of smart people and their tidy moral rubrics

Does this include yourself?

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by dragonwriter »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #167
paulmd wrote: post #161

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Because there was absolutely nothing to be gained from testifying. Conservatives were going to go after her regardless of what she said, so why talk at all? It's the ultimate "don't talk to cops", nothing you can say can ever help you and everything you say can hurt you, except Congressional Republicans don't even have to adhere to the very low standards that cops do. They can literally just say whatever, so there is…

Pretty Ironic that this is the excuse you’re going with after all the times your party lambasted Trump for doing similar things. Your belief in the ends justifying the means is the root of all your hypocrisy. People are sick of hearing why it’s ok for you but not for them. You will lose badly this year as a result. For god sakes you have Bloomberg running after half your party was just outside occupying wall street n…

> For god sakes you have Bloomberg running after half your party was just outside occupying wall street no less than 3 years ago.

OWS movement peaked about 8 years ago, wasn't anywhere close to half the size of the Democratic Party, and mostly consisted of people not in the mainstream of either major party.

But, in any case, Bloomberg is free to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to allow the other candidates to preview how they’ll go after a candidate like Trump, though it's weird to see someone volunteer to be a tackling dummy, much less pay for the privilege.

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