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18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by gorbachev »

stabbles wrote: post #34
webscalist wrote: post #26

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=... 100 Points. Mobile First. Better than React Native.

This is hilarious! Turns out 18 year old websites were mobile friendly after all

Back when Netscape 0.9 was new I had daily arguments with some of the "web designers" who insisted on using HTML targeting browser bugs and other invalid HTML tricks to optimize the aesthetics of their sites.

All you needed to do then, and today, is make sure your HTML is valid and that you don't break things on purpose ("this site optimized for MSIE1.0" type of stuff) and your site will forever be mobile and any-other-html-rendering device friendly.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by tsukurimashou »

Nowyouknow wrote: post #183
tsukurimashou wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm you might not want people to know about your dad's e-commerce site built in 2002... EDIT: checked the website, "add to cart" sends you directly to paypal and there doesn't seem to be any account system. Still you should be careful with which communities you share this kind of information, hint: think of the H of HN

Good point. Appreciate it

No problem, I know how it is to just want to talk about a personal story without thinking about the information you're letting out for the "public" to see :D

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by jvanderbot »

dwheeler wrote: post #186

My personal site was posted on September 12, 1999, is still updated, and has no problems. It;s a static site that mostly uses straight HTML/CSS. There are a few scripts that generate pages, but generating HTML/CSS pretty easy. https://dwheeler.com . Geocrasher said: > I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to build a site to last 25 years without numerous redesigns, build a static HTML page. Yes. I don't get pai…

You might say your website was designed to last[1]

1. https://jeffhuang.com/designed_to_last/

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by every »

geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

Followed to its logical if not very practical conclusion, we all wind up on gopher...

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by randomdude402 »

ath92 wrote: post #166
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

While this website still works fine, the actual HTML that Frontpage generated isn't exactly easy to maintain if Frontpage stops working for whatever reason. The author of this website is basically stuck using whatever version of Frontpage supports the markup of his website. And I bet there have been plenty of people who used who are no longer able to maintain their website because their editor no longer runs on their…

I know a person who is maintaining a few sites she built in like 2005 with a version of Dreamweaver a little older than that, so never dares to upgrade the Dreamweaver version.

The whole thing is terrifying and horrific to me, but they keep paying her to do the work so she's fine with it.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by user5994461 »

paganel wrote: post #110
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

It also helps if you self-host, I have personally self-hosted a subversion repository with my own projects using Trac [1] for 10 years now. [1] https://trac.edgewall.org/

Trac has been end of life for some time. It doesn't run on python 3. There are open bug tickets about it that have been stale for years.

Maybe it will be upgraded now that python 2 is officially dead, but given it wasn't so far and there was no effort in that direction, I wouldn't bet on it.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by frosted-flakes »

Mirioron wrote: post #120
jsaldes wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you actually tried the site on a mobile device? It's impossible to read the text and navigation is hell. Wouldn't classify that as "mobile friendly".

What do you mean? The text isn't much smaller than on HN on my 5.5" phone. It's entirely readable.

HN is hardly a good example. It's terrible on mobile.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Post by generationP »

ath92 wrote: post #166
geocrasher wrote: post #90

These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

While this website still works fine, the actual HTML that Frontpage generated isn't exactly easy to maintain if Frontpage stops working for whatever reason. The author of this website is basically stuck using whatever version of Frontpage supports the markup of his website. And I bet there have been plenty of people who used who are no longer able to maintain their website because their editor no longer runs on their…

Can't you just keep editing the html in a text editor? Frontpage's generated html isn't that unreadable.
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