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How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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> I think most of us would be fine with the NSA doing what they do if it was targeted You think wrong. That fact that there are opposing world states engaging in this nefarious, oppressive, terrible acts and they're not all aligned doesn't legitimize any of these states' activities. The NSA should essentially be shut down, or cut down to a small agency operating in public with a much more limited mandate. And no secr…

Just watch the "Mission Impossible" franchising. They are obviously dramatized stories but I would not be surprised that the world has been very closed to cease to exist as we know it and the only thing that prevented was that they did their job. Only few people know what they have done, no glory, no prizes, no recognition. What kind of people do that? Heros. Feel free to down vote me. I can only guess but I would no…

You are the reason the show "24" was rushed through.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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From the TrueCrypt webpage: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ > WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues The fact that they use awkward wording that contains words whose first letters that start with NSA (not secure as) is pretty suggestive that you are right.

Wow. In a different timeline I'd dismiss that as tinfoil hat time, but in this one it seems spot on.

> tinfoil hat time

This trope needs to die already.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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It's plausible to think that that message constitutes a warrant canary [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary

Not mutually exclusive, it's possible the Momo and the time thieves and the NSA are working together - the UTC is NSA , is the combined message

Do you think you're making a point, or just being edgy with your humor?

For some people out there, this kinda shit keeps them safe/alive.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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post #84

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From the TrueCrypt webpage: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ > WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues The fact that they use awkward wording that contains words whose first letters that start with NSA (not secure as) is pretty suggestive that you are right.

Wow. In a different timeline I'd dismiss that as tinfoil hat time, but in this one it seems spot on.

Is the idea that there would be consequences for a blatant message but not for a sort of more subtle one?

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

#195

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> I think most of us would be fine with the NSA doing what they do if it was targeted You think wrong. That fact that there are opposing world states engaging in this nefarious, oppressive, terrible acts and they're not all aligned doesn't legitimize any of these states' activities. The NSA should essentially be shut down, or cut down to a small agency operating in public with a much more limited mandate. And no secr…

Just watch the "Mission Impossible" franchising. They are obviously dramatized stories but I would not be surprised that the world has been very closed to cease to exist as we know it and the only thing that prevented was that they did their job. Only few people know what they have done, no glory, no prizes, no recognition. What kind of people do that? Heros. Feel free to down vote me. I can only guess but I would no…

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Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

#196

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Just watch the "Mission Impossible" franchising. They are obviously dramatized stories but I would not be surprised that the world has been very closed to cease to exist as we know it and the only thing that prevented was that they did their job. Only few people know what they have done, no glory, no prizes, no recognition. What kind of people do that? Heros. Feel free to down vote me. I can only guess but I would no…

The world is far more Mr. Bean than James Bond.

I think a James Bond in the past may end up becoming a Mr Bean in the future if we are not careful.

I am not naive, there are problems in big organizations.

To keep the movies methaphor, the biggest fears I have come from movie like Star Wars in which the empire turns to the dark side.

I have no idea what systems are in place to prevent things like this to happen. I hope they are VERY good.

My experience as software engineer teaches me that as things become more and more complex in a system the risk of a bug increase. And opacity is a double edge sword.

Even if you have a buggy system, you do not say "Let get rid of it" without talking about the alternatives. Other thing to consider is: "full rewrites are generally a bad idea".

I would like to open this to constructive suggestions but I am afraid that without an inside view we are just shouting the breeze.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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post #84

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From the TrueCrypt webpage: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ > WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues The fact that they use awkward wording that contains words whose first letters that start with NSA (not secure as) is pretty suggestive that you are right.

Wow. In a different timeline I'd dismiss that as tinfoil hat time, but in this one it seems spot on.

Nope, still tinfoil hat. This is just apophenia.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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You do realize there is a world that exists beyond your idealism and naivete?

Hmm, nah I don't think people understand that they created NSA. It is them and their neighbor living in quiet area paying taxes where government want to keep them quiet and keep paying. This way of things is giving birth to idealism and naivete. Just like people living in cities are idealistic and naive about life of cattle and poultry. You don't want innocent chicken to be killed, but it is tasty. You don't want inn…

A spy agency is necessary for the USA to compete on the world stage. Though, it's operations should be significantly limited.

The CIA is a disaster that needs to be dismantled.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

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Reading between the lines on this, it's plainly apparent why there's been repeated attacks on encrpytion by the US government. From this, through RSA's Dual_EC_DRBG, to the present day, it's obvious that the US highly values rigging the deck to aid their decryption, and that the current democratisation of encrpytion protocols is a threat to them. I mean, you only need to read their repeated admissions that without MI…

I'm pretty sure the US government is why the TrueCrypt devs stopped all work. They got hit with a national security letter (NSL) or heavily leaned on and pressured to stop making their product so awesome and un-breakable.

You must have a low threshold for “pretty sure”, because there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest this. Also, it’s open source. Also, the author recommended bitlocker as a replacement. Also, the authors may not even be American (the original author of E4M wasn’t). Doesn’t really add up.

Re: How the CIA used Crypto AG encryption devices to spy on countries for decades

#200

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> I think most of us would be fine with the NSA doing what they do if it was targeted You think wrong. That fact that there are opposing world states engaging in this nefarious, oppressive, terrible acts and they're not all aligned doesn't legitimize any of these states' activities. The NSA should essentially be shut down, or cut down to a small agency operating in public with a much more limited mandate. And no secr…

You do realize there is a world that exists beyond your idealism and naivete?

I'm sure that's what you would have told me 300 years ago if I claimed we should abolish monarchy and hereditary rule...
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