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#191
I feel like these numbers are skewed by the sex workers on Patreon offering subscription pornography. It'd be interesting to see if there's a difference between the numbers adult content creators see vs. everyone else.

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#193

The problem with the "passion economy", which was alluded to in another comment, is that it strengthens the already too-prevalent assumption that everything can and should be monetizable. Markets are useful but they don't need to be involved in every aspect of existence. Sure, you don’t need to participate in Patreon to make stuff, but the trend seems to be toward relying on consumer market forces to fund culture. Ty…

I cannot think of a more trivial reason to fundamentally restructure the economy.

To allow people to focus on meaningful pursuits rather than work largely superfluous jobs to survive?

Yeah, sounds really trivial.

Re: 1000 True Fans? Try 100

#194

I feel like these numbers are skewed by the sex workers on Patreon offering subscription pornography. It'd be interesting to see if there's a difference between the numbers adult content creators see vs. everyone else.

I don't think people who create adult content should be excluded. It's a valid job which — like streaming, painting, or any other online content creation — just isn't for everyone.

Re: 1000 True Fans? Try 100

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I'm having trouble envisioning very many markets where a "fan" is going to consistently spend $1k/year. The article mentions professional training and education, which makes sense. I can also see certain people spending that kind of money on physical goods (mechanical keyboards, audiophile equipment, one-of-a-kind art pieces) but $1k of revenue from physical goods is very different from $1k of income . Other than tha…

The incredibly annoying thing about this is that there's a really obvious case - software tools. There should be so many cases of people who have written a useful tool and have 100 businesses who pay $1000/year because that tool is the backbone of their $1000 * xxx profit. The fact this doesn't happen very often is a significant failure of the tech industry.

I agree that this can be very attainable as a B2B developer. The main challenges are both knowing and understanding the problem and solution and then attracting the audience. It's doable and is being done. We hear more about the unicorns. But there is still a lot of room for the little guys.

Re: 1000 True Fans? Try 100

#196

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Gwynneth Paltrow's personal online store. People get annoyed because she's into alternative health stuff but it's really just a store for people who have the same taste as Gwynneth Paltrow.

Also she named one kid "apple" :o

A surprisingly popular aesthetic! ^_^

Re: 1000 True Fans? Try 100

#197

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You should try my new course about how to avoid ads for new courses.

Please don't turn HN into reddit

I second this. Please take my course on avoiding sarcasm and irony for healthier HN discourse if you can't conduct yourself properly.

Re: 1000 True Fans? Try 100

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IIRC the 1k true fans idea was walked back by its original author after they got feedback from industry folks describing how the model was basically impossible to implement in the real world. This holds 100% true to my experience in influencer marketing and esports. Monetizing fans is really hard on passion alone. You need to create valuable calls to action and continuously produce content in order to maintain their…

> Monetizing fans is really hard on passion alone.

> ... you often can't monetize them at all without significant re-activation effort

I find talk of monetising people extremely off-putting. Also (not meant as a personal attack), I do not want to be around or associate with people who talk like this.

Re: 1000 True Fans? Try 100

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot think of a more trivial reason to fundamentally restructure the economy.

To allow people to focus on meaningful pursuits rather than work largely superfluous jobs to survive? Yeah, sounds really trivial.

That's an argument, but not the one you made above.

> The idea of basic income seems like a better path forward, in terms of preserving artistic integrity (i.e. not "make money" or "please your fans" as the motive for making things). Everyone will get enough money to survive, no matter how much your ideas go against the zeitgeist.

As in, the Patreon model isn't the best for artists, a better model is a complete rework of the economy, which would remove the need for artists to please their fans.

Extraordinarily trivial.

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