Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

Post by NeedMoreTea » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 10:49 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #147

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

It’s going to be hard to remove the suspicion. The investigation will probably be run by an Iranian authority. I doubt the NTSB will be invited in the current climate. How credible will be its finding? Usually in this case a neutral third party is invited (like France’s BEA). But pretty much all western countries are being threaten by Iran now.

Post by p_l » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 10:51 AM UTC

sparkling wrote: post #187

p_l wrote: post #186

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Southwest Airlines is, AFAIK, also a reputable airline. They had two accidents on this type of plane with this engine, randomly disintegrating the engine in flight.

What flight numbers?

Post by aaron695 » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 12:00 PM UTC

p_l wrote: post #189

aaron695 wrote: post #149

Iran used Fateh-313 surface-to-surface missiles in the recent attacks, some media reported they launched 313 missiles which got to they launched hundreds of missile. But if the footage is real it was not a malfunction. Planes don't catch in fire in the air like that. But not sure if the footage is old rehashed footage yet or not.

Turbine and compressor blades can cause just that. Sometimes they also cut through control lines. Sometimes they just depressurize cabin in a way that kills passenger. Recent 737-800 had two accidents confirmed to be caused by disintegrating compressor (or was it fan itself?).

Post by p_l » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 12:31 PM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #195

p_l wrote: post #189

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Turbine and compressor blades can cause just that. Sometimes they also cut through control lines. Sometimes they just depressurize cabin in a way that kills passenger. Recent 737-800 had two accidents confirmed to be caused by disintegrating compressor (or was it fan itself?).

What would explain the multiple holes in the pieces of wreckage? It was hit or was part of a large explosions of some kind. "the images coming out of Tehran of the downed Ukrainian 737-800 looks to have frag damage." https://twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1214803481782915072 If it was a accident, it seems something we have not seen the likes of. Engine failure fits though, with multiple mistakes. Given it was during…

Post by koheripbal » Wed, Jan 08, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

ianleeclark wrote: post #60

ryeights wrote: post #39

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I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...

To be fair, the USA has higher rates of shooting down passenger planes in Iranian airspace, so we should probably chill and wait for actual investigations to be done.