How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer

Post by mrtksn » Thu, Dec 05, 2019, 5:30 PM UTC

buboard wrote: post #188

mrtksn wrote: post #131

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Actually, it's a pretty well-known fact that users leave websites if they are not loading fast. People don't go with reading plans to websites, the titles are optimized to bring you there and you don't know what's in the article. More often than not, the text on the website is not what the title made you believe it is. You can't plan ahead, you want to quickly find out what is this all about. The article themselves a…

> users leave websites if they are not loading fast then google is doing a bad job of presenting these sites to users, since obviously these sites should lose their rank, since users leave them. Google surely thinks bounce rates are important, no? > The article themselves are usually garbage optimized for SEO, long paragraphs of sentences and how is AMP fixing this? and who is responsible for SEO having these incenti…

Post by stephenr » Thu, Dec 05, 2019, 5:33 PM UTC

noelsusman wrote: post #178

soyyo wrote: post #30

I worked on amp for a leading newspaper, and everyone who says that amp is about "making the web faster on mobile" is either very naive or doing marketing for google. For publishers, amp is about trying to top the results on google search and capture traffic, it's their only motivation to publish their content using amp, and the only metric they look in order to evaluate the results. Once they have their amp content,…

Of course AMP has other motives than simply making the web faster for mobile, but it also does make the web faster for mobile. I guarantee the AMP version of that paper's mobile website provided a significantly better user experience than the normal version. That is why AMP has been successful, and it's why I will continue to click on AMP links whenever available. Is giving Google that much control ideal? Of course n…

Post by wizzwizz4 » Thu, Dec 05, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #159

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #49

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I suppose my feeling is that this is the same kind of reductive reasoning behind the "same thing, both sides" mentality of American politics. Candidate A: Multiple accusations of bribery, frequently posts racist/sexist/Anti-Semitic/Islamophobic memes on his Twitter account, and sponsored multiple pieces of reprehensible legislation during his tenure in office. Candidate B: Refuses to tip more than 10%, ever. One seem…

That is in no way an objective statement on American politics and the comparison of the 2 party system. The idea that American's issues with the Democratic canidates can be compared as "Refused to tip more on 10%", is moronic. It is more like Candidate A: Multiple accusations of bribery, frequently posts racist/sexist/Anti-Semitic/Islamophobic memes on his Twitter account, and sponsored multiple pieces of reprehensib…

Post by pbreit » Thu, Dec 05, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

brianzelip wrote: post #23

Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…

Post by nailer » Thu, Dec 05, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

mda wrote: post #63

nailer wrote: post #31

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> Stop using chrome. FF is great, but it's also worth pointing out that Edge has all the Google adware removed and better privacy. There was a post from Eric Lawrence detailing all the Google stuff they removed a little while back, it was about 25 separate components. There's telemetry though so make your own mind if you're cool with that.

Did you bother to check what exactly were the components? I actually looked at the list, not related to "adware", basically stuff that Microsoft probably replace with their own stuff. (spell checking, form fill, translate etc etc.)