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AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)

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Re: AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)

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Ok things may have changed since I studied ethology

Right, to be fair to you this was a hotly debated topic in ethology (and still is to an extent), however I would say most modern ethologist have come out on the side of embracing evolutionary parsimony and viewing our human experience as a valuable asset to understanding animals (especially mammals). Probably the most cited paper regarding this debate is by Marc Bekoff, "Cognitive Ethology: Slayers, Skeptics, and Pro…

A review I just read (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.0220...) suggests both of our viewpoints and seems to allow for a continuum of approaches without resorting to name-calling. I think that there's definitely stupidity in the history of "anti-anthropomorphism" if it's really true that people dismissed an article that started by saying bees appear to dance. After all, the fact that they have a behavior like that suggests something interesting is going on. It's also really easy to go overboard in simplifying animal behaviors to our own poorly-understood human behaviors.

Re: AI is mostly about curve fitting (2018)

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>Now we could start on the assumed role of complex neurotransmitters in the creative process of the brain and the trivial way reinforcement learning rewards artificial agents, but that would push the scope of this comment. You can't really separate emotion and aesthetics from the neurotransmitters helping to implement them! They're considerably more complex than anyone usually gives credit for. Likewise, to form a va…

> Likewise, to form a valuable proposition, you need a sense of value Point taken

Wow. I want to thank you for engaging on that point! The "Hume's guillotine" dichotomization between "cognitive" processing and "affective" processing tends to be the thing our lab receives the most pushback on.
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