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#191

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> if you watch a particular YouTube channel 30% of your browsing time, it will send 30% of 10 BAT each month to that content creator. But does YouTube get anything? To support their business

Yeah YouTube is really struggling to make ends meet, we need to remember the little guy here.

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#192
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I wonder why they chose to use (yet another) crypto currency for this.

You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as microtransactions don't really work in the legacy system. Also by using their own token they can boot strap the ecosystem cheaply as they can mint the tokens themselves with the value accruing later after network participants are onboarded and transacting.

I spend a lot of time studying blockchain and Ethereum and wanted to clarify your remarks.

  You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as
  microtransactions don't really work in the legacy
  system.
Yes, you're right: Ethereum has lower transaction costs, lower non-monetary transaction costs, and ERC20 tokens are interoperable with other Ethereum-based services.

  Also by using their own token they can boot strap
  the ecosystem cheaply as they can mint the tokens
  themselves with the value accruing later after
  network participants are onboarded and transacting.
This is a common sentiment that I believe is incorrect: if a project could use ETH or USDC instead of its own token, but still function correctly, then that token is malpractice. Such tokens are a blight on the blockchain industry.

Projects like Augur and MakerDAO must have their own token or they wouldn't work at all. Augur and MakerDAO have healthy token economics.

I'm not an expert on BAT token economics, but I believe Brave would have been much better off using ETH itself or a stablecoin. afaik Brave's microtransactions don't require BAT to work and that makes BAT a bad token.

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#193

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> if you watch a particular YouTube channel 30% of your browsing time, it will send 30% of 10 BAT each month to that content creator. But does YouTube get anything? To support their business

Yeah YouTube is really struggling to make ends meet, we need to remember the little guy here.

Whether they're struggling or not under their current revenue system (advertising) is irrelevant when you're talking about destroying their current revenue system (blocking ads) and replacing it with a new one (Brave rewards).

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#194

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It's perfect for my use case: Chrome but with all the google bits removed and built-in ad-blocking. Can't say any of those things you listed have bothered me. I don't use BAT. Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

> with all the google bits removed well, except for the fact that it's still a chromium browser and google really sets the general agenda for all chromium browsers.

For those interested, we (I am a Brave employee) have the deviations (things we disable or patch out) from Chromium called out here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#195
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You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as microtransactions don't really work in the legacy system. Also by using their own token they can boot strap the ecosystem cheaply as they can mint the tokens themselves with the value accruing later after network participants are onboarded and transacting.

microtransactions don't work on cryptocurrency...

I disagree, there are many out there that are good at micro-transactions.

My personal favorite example is:

https://www.stellar.org/papers/stellar-consensus-protocol.pd...

Transactions take a few seconds, 10000 transactions per $.01 as well as no mining for coins so it is not a bad coin for climate change compared to say Bitcoin and the mining farms.

Just my $0.02

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#196
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Why does it seem wrong? Internet ads use your internet connection and time. Why should I watch them for free?

The real question is: Why should you watch them at all?

Because you're probably not paying for 99% of the contents that your web browser loads.

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#197
Criticism:

#1 Brave advertise with privacy and speed while all they do is adding adblock.

#2 Brave replaces adds with their own adds. This basically means you get the same experience but cut off the income of the content creator entirely.

#3 Brave allows you to reward 3rd party sites. This system is so nice they even got legal issues as it was assumed as fraud.

#4 BAT. Brave advertise with consumer first. The best choice for the consumer would be Paypal. If there is an incent to stay with crypto currency Bitcoin or Ethereum.

Given Brave created their own crypto currency and base every model around that they can profit from Transactions/services with the currency too on top of the share they take when you use their add platform/feature.

Given the criticism its very hard for me to understand users sympathizing with the browser.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#198
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You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as microtransactions don't really work in the legacy system. Also by using their own token they can boot strap the ecosystem cheaply as they can mint the tokens themselves with the value accruing later after network participants are onboarded and transacting.

microtransactions don't work on cryptocurrency...

This only used to be true. The state of the art of Ethereum has very effective microtransactions. This will improve again by orders of magnitude within the next three years.

For example, see https://comingsoon.idex.io/ which is state of the art.

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If people like Brave's ad model, all the power to them. I would personally never touch it. I'm not philosophically on board with the idea that paying people to look at ads is a pragmatic way forward. It doesn't matter if it's opt-in, free-to-play games with loot crates are opt-in, but the decision to go down that road will effect their decision making process when designing new features and I don't want to be part of…

In all honesty, I'm not sure how I feel about this model? I'm one of those people who has been out saying that the web needs a new business model. Well, here one is, and yet I find myself a bit hesitant to embrace it? It's probably just a matter of needing more information to fill in the blanks and explain the contradictions. That said, my mind tends to automatically start strategizing the long game, and I'm uncertai…

> the web needs a new business model

Business model for whom? For Brave? Or for the website owner?

If the website owner isn't involved in this choice, then this is racketeering. And racketeering is an old business model.

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#200

If people like Brave's ad model, all the power to them. I would personally never touch it. I'm not philosophically on board with the idea that paying people to look at ads is a pragmatic way forward. It doesn't matter if it's opt-in, free-to-play games with loot crates are opt-in, but the decision to go down that road will effect their decision making process when designing new features and I don't want to be part of…

Brave is unethical. The key problem is they insert themselves into the revenue stream without the consent of the web publishers. It's fine to block ads entirely, but substituting your own ads and collecting money from that is wrong.
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