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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by FireBeyond »

twarge wrote: post #82

Real data required: How many people who experienced data loss or other issues have one of the following underlying conditions: 1. Creeping storage corruption that is exposed by the upgrade. 2. Latent configuration issues from running the betas. Personal experience: I have had several issues with apps on a machine that went through all the betas. Had to spend some quality time with Console to sort things out. Zero iss…

Completely fresh install (disk utility format/partition) on a 2016 iMac... reboot loop, disk space complaints. Had to re-attempt install to get it to succeed. No diagnostic issues.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by FireBeyond »

semiotagonal wrote: post #51
alphabettsy wrote: post #25

TLDR; The author hasn’t upgraded, and while they have some well-founded concerns they haven’t actually used it. It’s going to be difficult to make anyone happy with this release that has already decided they don’t like it.

If it's breaking 32-bit apps, and you need at least one 32-bit app (for the author, Aperture), that's kind of all you need to know.

Aperture is a 64 bit app. Still doesn't work, though.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by thesquib »

I would just like to have Mojave kept stable for a few years, security updates included. Keep macOS as a solid platform, and add features through apps. That's pretty much all Apple seems to do each release, make new applications and add-ons, bundle them with the OS and call it an upgrade.

I generally agree with the author, I don't have anything else in the Apple ecosystem so most of the new features are largely worthless to me compared to what I have to give up.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by xckfs »

thesquib wrote: post #193

I would just like to have Mojave kept stable for a few years, security updates included. Keep macOS as a solid platform, and add features through apps. That's pretty much all Apple seems to do each release, make new applications and add-ons, bundle them with the OS and call it an upgrade. I generally agree with the author, I don't have anything else in the Apple ecosystem so most of the new features are largely worth…

> That's pretty much all Apple seems to do each release.

So, they're doing what you want?

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by kkylin »

- I like SideCar. After logging in and out of iCloud, it works just fine. - Having issue with Time Machine taking forever, but that seems to be more a Spotlight indexing issue. - Anyone else miss the iTunes Remote? I kinda like the new Music app, but wish I can still control it from my phone.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by rimliu »

jwr wrote: post #184

I fully agree with the author, and I am also worried about how Apple treats its users. And I am also an abandoned Aperture user, with huge libraries full of organized albums with non-destructive edits. I still do not know what to do about that. Having read most of the comments, I got the impression that you could correlate them with age. Younger people are all "Catalina works for me! Progress! Change is necessary! Wh…

I doubt you could count me someone from the younger generation. My experience with computers started with DOS. I Have been Mac user since 2006. Catalina works fine for me. I was also Aperture user. And then Lightroom user. And now I am Capture One user.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by PappaPatat »

noncoml wrote: post #161
morrick wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am the author, and I may be guilty of writing an extremely long blog post; but judging by your response, you didn't bother to read it that thoroughly. The new layout in Catalina's Mail.app is actually my smallest complaint. I don't like change when it unnecessarily breaks things that used to work just fine. I don't like change when it is haphazardly imposed on a yearly basis by a company which has clearly stopped c…

So, have you tried Catalina?

He mentioned that a couple of hours before your question (and I do not know how to link to a comment):

>Hello! I am the author, and no, I haven't tried Catalina because, as I state at the very end of my article: >"Both my main Macs are really working flawlessly at the moment, and Catalina is beta-quality software that’s likely to give me headaches I don’t need right now. Who knows, maybe down the road I could acquire a cheap used Mac that can run Catalina (something like a 2014 Mac mini) and use it as a test machine. As things are now, I absolutely do not want Catalina to mess with my current setups and data."

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by CJefferson »

amiantos wrote: post #38
throwaway1777 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about all the iCloud bugs? https://tyler.io/broken/

Countering a personal anecdote with another personal anecdote. Here's another: I've been using Catalina since release on multiple Macs and haven't had any problems. I'm also an extensive user of iCloud services, Photos and Drive are very important to me and if I had any issues with either I'd probably lose my mind.

The problem is your anecdotes not equal.

One person is losing file site awful. One person finds out works isn't suprising, it just shows apple managed to release an OS which isn't buggy for every user.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by SrslyJosh »

berberous wrote: post #144
morrick wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am the author, and I may be guilty of writing an extremely long blog post; but judging by your response, you didn't bother to read it that thoroughly. The new layout in Catalina's Mail.app is actually my smallest complaint. I don't like change when it unnecessarily breaks things that used to work just fine. I don't like change when it is haphazardly imposed on a yearly basis by a company which has clearly stopped c…

Alternative possibility: you just got old. In all seriousness, older people are more opposed to UI and other types of change.

Or he's a professional and doesn't want to waste his time beta-testing something that wasn't ready for prime time.

I don't know about you, but I value working software and it'll probably be six months before I consider dropping Mojave.

Multiple data loss bugs? Arbitrarily killing all 32-bit apps? No thanks, I'll wait.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth

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Post by SrslyJosh »

imron wrote: post #77
duskwuff wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no evidence, and no reason to believe, that the UI changes in Mail are related to reports of data loss.

You are correct, updating the UI and the underlying storage mechanism are almost certainly separate things falling under a broader umbrella of "lets change up Mail instead of fixing long-standing bugs". I would really love to see every other major release of macOS and iOS to be a bug-fix release rather than a "lets change all the things" release.

> I would really love to see every other major release of macOS and iOS to be a bug-fix release rather than a "lets change all the things" release.

Here fucking here!

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