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Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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thinking out loud here, but has anyone built a solution on top of IRC, effectively "extending" it?

to me (i'm not a developer, so pardon me while i speak out of turn here) it would make a lot of sense to take the solid, well known foundation of IRC and build upon it, instead of reinventing the wheel over and over again, no?

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

#192

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Persistent history including things that happened when you weren't connected . Obviously logging is easy, this isn't about client logs. With phone notifications, you not only need to work for things that happened while not connected, it's bad form to require a permanent connection on android and you can't do it at all on an iphone.

Perhaps what you need is a bouncer?

It's doable but it's tricky, requires a very stable place to put the bouncer, and it makes things vastly more complicated than being pointed to the closest client or web interface and logging in instantly.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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there’s a successor fork to that identity server over at https://github.com/ma1uta/ma1sd which is being well maintained :) sorry that setting up a homeserver was hard; we’ve been doing a lot of work recently to improve this (eg https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-config-generator/tree/... is a graphical installer which should be released very shortly).

This looks good. Will this become part of matrix in the future (also, does it work /stable?)?

the config generator will ship in synapse by default in the near future. its first release is due tomorrow.

ma1sd is considered stable and works afaik, and is already part of the matrix ecosystem.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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I'm guessing they are talking about this issue which has been open for a disturbingly long time: https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/955

IPs and the account data you give them. And the complaint is not the collection, just that there's no listing that lets you know they collect IPs. Seems extremely minor. I'm very far from disturbed.

Minor sure, but it's still illegal.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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They can make it a reality by backing the Matrix.org protocol, or even Ruma, the Rust implementation.

Interesting. Any good resources on Matrix? How has adoption been going until now?

Adoption is going pretty well - from matrix.org we see around 10M mxids out there, of which around 5M are on the matrix.org server. Many of these on the matrix.org server are bridged from other systems (Slack, IRC, etc), but 3.5M are native to Matrix. It's hard to guess how big the wider network is because there are many folks who don't phone home or federate actively with matrix.org.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

#196
post #191

thinking out loud here, but has anyone built a solution on top of IRC, effectively "extending" it? to me (i'm not a developer, so pardon me while i speak out of turn here) it would make a lot of sense to take the solid, well known foundation of IRC and build upon it, instead of reinventing the wheel over and over again, no?

It's probably not a good example but that is what Twitch did, you can connect to their video channels with standard IRC clients (without the added "features" like paid subscription picture "emotes").

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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You must really dislike GitHub then.

I can more or less easily get my data out of github (I can host a repo elsewhere, write a script to scrape the issues, etc.) I don't like using the non-git parts of it for much (ie why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files?) Discord is a whole other level of walled garden. It's a black hole of information, and that information isn't owned by you. Discoverability is nonexistent.

Backup scripts also exist for Discord. You can also export your data. It really isn't much different than GitHub in that aspect.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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I can more or less easily get my data out of github (I can host a repo elsewhere, write a script to scrape the issues, etc.) I don't like using the non-git parts of it for much (ie why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files?) Discord is a whole other level of walled garden. It's a black hole of information, and that information isn't owned by you. Discoverability is nonexistent.

> why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files? fyi: github wikis are just a repo full of markdown files. you can clone down your wiki, make changes, write commits, etc.

Except it is using Gollum, which isn't all that great. I think the only positive is tab integration. I prefer the GitHub or GitLab Pages approach.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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You realize they're owned by Microsoft yes?

That's counting on Microsoft taking good care of GitHub and maintaining its goodwill. It might or might not be well managed in the years to come. Case in point, Skype. It was "the" tool to use for office communication. Hardly anyone I know uses Skype nowadays.

Skype is still pretty big in the enterprise chat space.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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> We've gotten so used to phone notifications and a persistent history, that IRC has fallen behind purely from a convenience factor. I have that with a bouncer (znc) and a plugin. I've not used it, but it is my understanding that IRCCloud does this too. Problem is that there aren't many easily usable options for this apart from IRCCloud and even IRCCloud itself isn't all that well marketed. Always seemed kind of weir…

IRCv3 is still moving forward and gaining momentum.

Started in 2016 and still has no major IRC networks support it.
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