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Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

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Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

#191

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> You made the claim that corporations must act ethically or its securities fraud. That claim is not correct. Some unethical behavior can indeed be illegal but unethical in itself doesn’t automatically break the law. Not exactly no, I made the claim that a lot of unethical, but not directly illegal, behavior has been successfully called securities fraud. > So, ultimately the corporation is an entity designed to advan…

We can dance around semantics, the point is corporations cannot do things that shareholders collectively find as bad for them. For example, corporations cannot benefit employees at the expense of shareholders. If management decided to write a big fat check to employees and shareholders didn’t agree, they can call an emergency meeting cancel the check, fire management and appoint new management.

> they can call an emergency meeting cancel the check

No, they can't. If management took an action that is within their power to take it cannot be reversed at shareholder whim. They can certainly throw out the current management and install new management who will attempt to reverse what the old management did, but what is done is done.

Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

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>The legal purpose of a corporation is to generate returns for shareholders. >Goes without saying that corporations should maximize shareholder value using legal means only. But why? This line of thinking typically assumes that people start companies strictly to make money--an assumption that I see as patently false. There are plenty of for-profit social enterprises (which is to say nothing of non-profits). For examp…

Well, they could start a non profit with a mission to be self sustaining through business operations. If they didn’t, if they started a regular corporation, we don’t know for sure, but it’s a good guess their goal is to make money.

Non-profits come with a whole lot of baggage that some people do not want to do with. Also, only certain types of corporation qualify to be non-profits in the first place.

Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

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Oh come on, that doesn't sound illegal. What do you mean by "criminally?"

It’s a common figure of speech. He/she is exaggerating.

If I want exaggeration I'll read Reddit. I come here for serious discussion, and exaggeration has no place in such.

Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

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You can be cynical about this, and a healthy amount of skepticism is warranted given the authorship. That said, it would be interesting (healthy?) to discuss/debate the merits of the actual statements: * Delivering value to our customers. We will further the tradition of American companies leading the way in meeting or exceeding customer expectations. * Investing in our employees. This starts with compensating them f…

I would start by defining terms rigorously.

Here are the words I saw:

value, customers, expectations, investing, employees, compensating, fairly, providing, important, benefits, supporting, training, education, skills, changing, diversity, inclusion, dignity, respect, dealing, ethically, suppliers, good, partners, companies, missions, communities, respect, protect, environment, embracing, sustainable, businesses, generating, long-term, shareholders, capital, innovate, transparent, effective, engagement

Why?

1. Look at how the gig economy pushes contractors further and further towards being employees in all but name, but so much in the way of benefits is tied up in whether or not the name or classification applies.

2. The statements talk about benefits that corporations bring and the support they provide but neglect to mention the costs they incur and the side-effects they place upon others. Corporations are organisms of a kind, and most if not all organisms consume some inputs to produce some outputs. Some of the those outputs are waste. That waste must to be accounted for and processed. Where would the BP oil spill and the PG&E wildfires be accounted for in those statements.

3. The statements avoid the mention of the term consumers, which is how many companies perceive and treat their customers driving the interactions between them to be increasingly banal and scripted. Consider how often in this forum we hear of "selling eyeballs" in advertising.

4. Similar to 3 but more generally, the statements make no mention of accountability in the cases of the spectrum of harm caused by ignorance, negligence, and further along that spectrum all the way to outright malice. The statements try to separate the positive things that human beings are capable of producing from the negative without mentioning the negative at all never mind the ever present probabilities. Failing to mention and own the harm that a corporation can cause makes me think of "rainbows and unicorns", and results in the corporation failing to truly possess genuine humility.

5. I think all the four points I listed above are actually a direct result of this point that I'm about to expand upon: for whatever reasons, corporations try to remove humanness from within and without. By removing the humanness from within, the corporation becomes less sensitive when it does manage to do harm. By removing the humanness outside, they reduce the other human beings they work with into a number of nouns: customers, employees, suppliers, communities, shareholders.

As a point of interest, consider the US Constitution and how it both defines the frame of the US government and the other entities it interacts, but also sets constraints on its behavior.

Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

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These sorts of statements always scare me a bit. First, businesses are still required to give maximum benefit to shareholders. Second, even if this was the goal of a business, it then leaves it up to businesses(boards?, CEOs?) to define things like "ethically", "important benefits", "diversity" etc. These aren't things you could get all people to agree on in the first place- hence the whole democracy thing we do. A l…

> First, businesses are still required to give maximum benefit to shareholders.

I hear this over and over. What statute demands this?

You are using it this way, but I have many times heard terrible corporate behavior dismissed because they were simply following the law that they must maximize shareholder returns.

Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

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You make it sound like these value judgements are obvious. There are plenty of people on HN and even inside Google that do not find anything objectionable about building weapons. Do you think Richard Feynman was a bad person because he helped build the atom bomb?

Feynman wrote about feeling terrible guilt from working on the atomic bomb.

Everyone loves a good "the worst possible example".

Re: Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation

#200
In Richard Powers's novel GAIN, there's a scene where the CEO of a Johnson & Johnson type conglomerate tries to write down what's the purpose of a corporation:

"To make a profit. To make a consistent profit. To make a living. To make a profit in the long run. To make things. To make things in the most economical way. To make the greatest number of things. To make things that last the longest. To make things for the longest possible time. To make things people need. To make things people desire. To make people desire things. To give meaningful employment. To give reliable employment. To give people something to do. To do something. To provide the greatest good for the greatest number. To promote the general welfare. To provide for the common defense. To increase the value of the company stock. To pay a regular dividend. To maximize the net worth of the firm. To advance the lot of all stakeholders. To grow. To progress. To expand. To increase knowhow. To increase revenues and decrease costs. To compete efficiently. To buy low and sell high. To improve the hand humanity has been dealt. To produce the next round of technological innovations. To rationalize nature. To improve the landscape. To shatter space and arrest time. To see what the human race can do. To amass the country's retirement pension. To amass the capital required to do anything we want to do. To discover what we want to do. To vacate the premises before the sun dies out. To make life a little easier. To build a better tomorrow. To kick something back into the kitty. To facilitate the flow of capital. To preserve the corporation. To do business. To stay in business. To figure out the purpose of business."

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