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Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

#191

Firefox offers blocking you from "third-party tracking cookies" by default, so if you are concerned - make the switch. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/06/04/firefox-now-availab...

It's simply better to go to the options of your browser and disable third-party cookies altogether. And at that point why not keep using Chrome, which is faster, heh

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really care if ads stop being profitable. If ads stopped being a good source of revenue, the tech industry would adapt, and my guess is that the end result would be much more favorable to society. I'm working on an early-stage startup right now, and I'm certainly not going to use ads as part of my revenue model. Google might not be too happy about an outcome like that, but I'm not overly concerned about Googl…

I think that the democratizing effect of services that make money through advertising is vastly underestimated. There are a lot of people on the internet who can't afford to pay for Microsoft Office, or a set of encyclopedias, or courses like those which can be found on YouTube or blogs. It's all well and good to say that you hate ads because you can afford to pay to remove them. Many can't, and we should think very…

The best content I’ve found in recent years has been either on sites that don’t contain advertisement (because they’re someone’s personal hobby blog, for example, or HN) or from videos where the person was supported directly by fans through Patreon.

Anecdotally, the advertisement-supported content is mostly garbage.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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I don't actually want to block ads. If you want to put a small text or image blurb anywhere on the page... Good for you. I'll gladly accept those on a webpage so that the content creator can make a bit of cash. But these companies are intentionally blurring the lines between advertisement and digital surveillance. You don't need to collect everything about my operating system, browser, monitors, GPU, every click I ma…

Except those little unobtrusive ads are easy to ignore and hardly anyone clicks on them so no one will pay anything for them. Also there’s no way to verify the clicks that do happen are genuine.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Did anyone ever investigate what benefits ads have to a population? It seems like a net loss to me, because ads are used to make people consume more than they need; ads make people buy the product with the biggest advertising budget instead of the best product; and while ads may make the internet "free", we are still paying for those ads indirectly. Why then, doesn't the government bring advertising to a halt? At lea…

There are countries that ban ads, but they also ban a lot of other things. My presumption is that if advertising was banned, and you were still dealing with a relatively free society, that many more resources would go in to PR and marketing. At least an ad you know is an ad. A good exercise is to go back and look through magazines from the 1950s and 1960s, especially Playboy. The advertising seems much more transpare…

> At least an ad you know is an ad.

True. In some countries, mixing content and ads (see social media influencers) is already forbidden, especially when targeting children. I suppose the law could be extended here.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

#196
There are more countries besides United States. I don't know why people here always refer to it as if it were the only ruler of the internet. It's not. In fact it does a piss poor job at playing its part.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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Google and other ad businesses need to create "AMP for ads". Ads should allow only basic HTML elements without javascript. Figure out a way to track only what's really necessary, maybe even get allowed tracking level set by user in browser settings (an improved version of Do Not Track). That might be even used to check if user agrees to have cookies set. It should solve the annoying cookie banners issue too. Finally,…

> Google and other ad businesses need to create "AMP for ads". Is that not what Google Ads is?

No, Google Adsense allows javascript so advertisers can fingerprint and track the user's browser. Occasionally, some advertiser will drop the charade and just set top.location="https://example.com/" and, after too many user/publisher complaints and a few days, Google will manually block them.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

#198
How is that still a debate?

I often use firefox reader mode just because websites use custom fonts, and to remove all the clutter, even when there is no ads.

Also, it won't be long until reddit is sued and must remove comments where people copy-paste the entire article because of pay walls and ad blockers. Same for outline. I guess website will start findings ways to prevent copy pasting, and maybe someone will create some app that just let their users browse a PNG rendering of websites.

It's almost as if normal newspapers might be considered a good alternative.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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post #67

I don't actually want to block ads. If you want to put a small text or image blurb anywhere on the page... Good for you. I'll gladly accept those on a webpage so that the content creator can make a bit of cash. But these companies are intentionally blurring the lines between advertisement and digital surveillance. You don't need to collect everything about my operating system, browser, monitors, GPU, every click I ma…

Yeah not to mention malware is often fed through ad services. I want context based ads. Context being the web page I am on not my life story.

All it takes is one of these tech giants pulling a Equifax and who knows how much data spills over.

Re: Adblocking: How about Nah?

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post #67

I don't actually want to block ads. If you want to put a small text or image blurb anywhere on the page... Good for you. I'll gladly accept those on a webpage so that the content creator can make a bit of cash. But these companies are intentionally blurring the lines between advertisement and digital surveillance. You don't need to collect everything about my operating system, browser, monitors, GPU, every click I ma…

I have no issue with static, contextual ads (I had this conversation on here the other day in fact).

Imagine reading something about, say, a particular lawnmower and the article has a link to that lawnmower at the top as an ad from Flymo with a discount. No tracking just a link to buy it with a tracking Id in the URL or something.

Can someone answer me this: Are there studies, not funded by those who benefit from mass-tracking, that show the benefit of all this data-gathering to show ads? Or that show it doesn't work perhaps?

My gut tells me the difference in success rate is minimal and couldn't possibly justify the data collection but I'd love to be proven wrong.

At this time, I believe the whole scheme to be a con. (there, I said it!)

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