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Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by CypherSnyper »

artsyca wrote: post #137
Jtsummers wrote: post #98

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Are those companies known for their speed and quality of code delivery? Have they published studies and popularised their approaches? Have they, or anyone else, generalized their approaches to things other than specific software categories? The thing about the manufacturing processes that have come out of Toyota (and others), or the ideas from Deming, Goldratt, and others, is that they're more about general systems t…

Nintendo releases more software than Toyota

Go suck your dick faggot

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by [deleted] »

nihonde wrote: post #185
ak217 wrote: post #175

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> he was probably hitting the gas and accelerating. ...Or the car was actuating the throttle as if he was hitting the gas, a.k.a. unintended acceleration. I see a lot of people like you in this thread and elsewhere dismissing unintended acceleration experiences. Before you continue to do so, I would urge you to read the NASA report on the Toyota unintended acceleration case and related documents ( https://www.nhtsa.g…

There is a long history of American automakers and their cohorts in the media and elsewhere who use these scandals to scare buyers away from Japanese makes. See what they did to Suzuki with the Jimny in the eighties for the most egregious example. I watched this “scandal” closely at the time, and it smelled like a rat all along. Fortunately, these tactics are ineffective, but there will always be anecdotal persistenc…

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Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by [deleted] »

nihonde wrote: post #185
ak217 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he was probably hitting the gas and accelerating. ...Or the car was actuating the throttle as if he was hitting the gas, a.k.a. unintended acceleration. I see a lot of people like you in this thread and elsewhere dismissing unintended acceleration experiences. Before you continue to do so, I would urge you to read the NASA report on the Toyota unintended acceleration case and related documents ( https://www.nhtsa.g…

There is a long history of American automakers and their cohorts in the media and elsewhere who use these scandals to scare buyers away from Japanese makes. See what they did to Suzuki with the Jimny in the eighties for the most egregious example. I watched this “scandal” closely at the time, and it smelled like a rat all along. Fortunately, these tactics are ineffective, but there will always be anecdotal persistenc…

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Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by Someone1234 »

rb808 wrote: post #171
Someone1234 wrote: post #156

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> I would have though that the CEO of the world's largest investment company would count more than "one single data point". I said that CEO undercuts your point. You claimed short-term-ism was a "myth," then quoted a CEO saying that a lot of people focus on short term investing, rather than long term investing. Therefore making it not a myth, according to your own source.

Maybe you should actually read it. He said companies might be tempted by maximizing short-term returns because we are late in the economic cycle.

Therefore making it not a myth that people do so. Did you read it?

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by stordoff »

Jtsummers wrote: post #152
artsyca wrote: post #137

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Nintendo releases more software than Toyota

Maybe don’t edit your post next time? Especially after people have replied. That’s a very dishonest mode of discussion.

What was edited? The discussion still appears to make sense.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by Aeolun »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #178
bitwize wrote: post #84

In the 1960s, my father was a manufacturing engineer for BigTechFirm (this was back when BigTechFirms built actual stuff, rather than trafficking in webshit). On the shop floor, there were A, B, and C workers on a line in descending order of skill level required and roughly ascending order of available workers. It was a true assembly line model. I believe the A and B workers had more variety to their work but the C w…

What is webshit? It seems like you are trying to say that you don’t think web developers build anything worthwhile, but I’m hoping there’s a less insulting interpretation of your comment?

I think it’s just that anything that BigTechFirm touches in web land becomes polluted and shit.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by majormajor »

abawany wrote: post #179
smush wrote: post #89

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> The 4Runner has barely changed in 10 years. To be fair, that may be a purposeful design decision. I consider the fact that the 4Runner can trace its way back to a 1980s Hilux that Top Gear dropped off a building (and still survived) to be nothing but good for its likely reliability. Similarly, its primarily dial-based dashboard (as opposed to the touch-screen everywhere fad right now), truck-based suspension, and o…

The Top Gear reference is powerful but in my opinion, meaningless. All it has done is coin the legend of the invincible Hilux. However, I did not see them or anyone try similar tricks with trucks of similar vintage, making this just a show trick.

> The Top Gear reference is powerful but in my opinion, meaningless. All it has done is coin the legend of the invincible Hilux. However, I did not see them or anyone try similar tricks with trucks of similar vintage, making this just a show trick.

The reputation existed before the show, that's where they got the idea.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by wyclif »

Arbalest wrote: post #157
wyclif wrote: post #154

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Honda makes cars. Toyota makes appliances for people who hate driving.

With a couple of exceptions in the enthusiast sector, where they are well regarded. Or at least they did at one point. I am of course thinking of the cars with the 1JZ and 2JZ engines. I have an inkling that my heuristic might also correlate with Yamaha input, but on that I'm not certain (not knowing the whole engine lineup)

This is also why the Toyota Hilux is the vehicle of choice for ISIS: https://www.businessinsider.com/why-isis-uses-toyota-trucks-...

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by sitkack »

nradov wrote: post #73
lemax wrote: post #53

"The Machine That Changed the World" is a wonderful title on this. Kiichiro Toyoda invented the lean production model after coming to the states and studying the inefficiencies of the assembly lines of Ford. This was a process dependent on modularizing every manufacturing component due to a demand for the Toyota company to serve a market with a need for an immense variety of vehicles, and giving teams ownership of th…

Ironically Toyota now has longer product lives than many other mainstream manufacturers. The Camry and Corolla are on roughly 6 year product lifecycles. The 4Runner has barely changed in 10 years.

If they made a 1989 Toyota Corolla All-Trac, today using the same tech, I'd buy it for 30k.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Post by sitkack »

wyclif wrote: post #198
Arbalest wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a couple of exceptions in the enthusiast sector, where they are well regarded. Or at least they did at one point. I am of course thinking of the cars with the 1JZ and 2JZ engines. I have an inkling that my heuristic might also correlate with Yamaha input, but on that I'm not certain (not knowing the whole engine lineup)

This is also why the Toyota Hilux is the vehicle of choice for ISIS: https://www.businessinsider.com/why-isis-uses-toyota-trucks-...

It would be the vehicle of choice for any army with a comptroller.
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