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Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by wlesieutre » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 3:16 PM UTC

hvidgaard wrote: post #172

iainmerrick wrote: post #159

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I think your analogy is a major reach, but just to run with it: That reminds me of catlike movement (very graceful, very limited impact and noise) versus doglike (lots of movement and noise, bouncing up and down). And as it turns out, dogs use much less energy walking than cats do. Loud “doglike” typing isn’t necessarily a sign of inexperience, it’s actually energy-efficient and comfortable. I’ve never had RSI but I…

Not the person you're replying to. But how would forceful typing be more energy efficient? You press harder (more muscle activation), keys travel longer (more muscle activation), and you have to move your fingers back "up" again. Btw. the reason pianists want weighted keys is mostly because it mimics acoustic pianos. If you practice on non weighted keys and play on a piano, you would tire your fingers very quickly. A…

I think the argument is that you spend energy to start your fingers moving and then you spend more energy to make them stop. But at least the way I type, what I think I'm doing is expending as much energy as needed to make the key bottom out, and no more energy than that.

I can buy the extra energy cost for walking because gravity is putting some force on there and you'd expend energy to counterbalance it versus just letting the ground push back.

But your fingers have exactly as much force as you put behind them yourself, so I don't know what's up with the finger-slammers. They totally exist though.

I was probably reaching with the foot-stompers comparison. Seems like a similar result, but the causes may well be unrelated.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by hackskills » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 3:32 PM UTC

Would be more useful if there was a way to reach the touch bar with the mouse. That way, the Dock can completely move to the touch bar permanently.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by sangnoir » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

sbr464 wrote: post #26

Late to the party, but I just randomly realized today that copy & paste syncs across iOS and my iMac. Was surprisingly convenient. Apparently it’s been around since Sierra, but my settings are now in sync enough to just work.

Linux/Android user's can have the same functionality via KDE Connect. It has other features (like using your phone as a trackpad).

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by ken » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 3:52 PM UTC

canadaduane wrote: post #164

monkeynotes wrote: post #150

IMO cmd+tab is far superior since it requires less movement from the rest position. I can navigate contexts extremely efficiently. I also use cmd+~ a lot for in-app window switching. I do like the idea of having the touch-bar as a notification center though, that would be pretty helpful. I have my Macbook on a stand with an external keyboard. Besides being ergonomically better like that, I also missed the physical es…

I find that cmd+tab switching beyond 2 or 3 applications is not "superior" as it requires more recall of state than should be necessary. I've started using Alfred more often to switch to specific apps so that it doesn't matter where I'm coming "from" to get where I want to go "to." I also use Karibiner to switch the capslock key to "escape when pressed once" and "ctrl" when used in combination with any other key. Com…

To its credit, cmd-tab is more than just an application switcher. It's also a quitter, and hider, and window previewer/switcher, and drop target, and "click dock icon" (not sure if this even has a name), and probably other things. It offers basically all the functionality of (the top half of) the dock, but in an MRU-ordered and (somewhat) keyboard-friendly way.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by s_dev » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

dustinfarris wrote: post #2

This is what Touch Bar should have been from the beginning IMO. I've been on the fence to upgrade my 2012 MBP. I've been concerned about buying into the Touch Bar hardware when it seems like it is not coming to any other Macs. Why should I devote time to learning Touch Bar and trying to find ways to integrate it with my workflow when keyboard shortcuts are more than enough—and probably better? What happens when I sit…

I've been using TouchSwitcher for a good while now: https://hazeover.com/touchswitcher.html

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by viddo » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 4:00 PM UTC

enneff wrote: post #98

kristiandupont wrote: post #82

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As a member of the Vim gang, I have to say that using caps-lock is better anyway and MacOS has a built-in setting for it now, so go and fix that right away. That said, I had a MBP with touch bar for half a year and even though I was quite excited when they announced it, I hated it. I will not buy another laptop with that thing on it.

I've been using caps lock as my control key for too long to make this leap. :-(

You can also use it for both ctrl and esc with a little help by Hammerspoon (http://hammerspoon.org), e.g. I've been using this for the past year and it works great https://github.com/jasonrudolph/keyboard#a-more-useful-caps-...

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by viddo » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

mateuszf wrote: post #120

hnzix wrote: post #76

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The next level is using Karabiner-Elements to map to when held and when tapped.

I usually do that but it stopped working for me on new macbook :/

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20234189

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by awinder » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 4:07 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #66

dustinfarris wrote: post #2

This is what Touch Bar should have been from the beginning IMO. I've been on the fence to upgrade my 2012 MBP. I've been concerned about buying into the Touch Bar hardware when it seems like it is not coming to any other Macs. Why should I devote time to learning Touch Bar and trying to find ways to integrate it with my workflow when keyboard shortcuts are more than enough—and probably better? What happens when I sit…

> devote time to learning Touch Bar How complicated do you think it is that you need to spend time learning it?

After 4 weeks with a touchbar macbook I’m still trying to unlearn “finger rests near escape key”, mostly because I only use the built in keyboard occasionally and that’s where that finger belongs.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by iainmerrick » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 4:09 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #191

hvidgaard wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you're replying to. But how would forceful typing be more energy efficient? You press harder (more muscle activation), keys travel longer (more muscle activation), and you have to move your fingers back "up" again. Btw. the reason pianists want weighted keys is mostly because it mimics acoustic pianos. If you practice on non weighted keys and play on a piano, you would tire your fingers very quickly. A…

I think the argument is that you spend energy to start your fingers moving and then you spend more energy to make them stop. But at least the way I type, what I think I'm doing is expending as much energy as needed to make the key bottom out, and no more energy than that. I can buy the extra energy cost for walking because gravity is putting some force on there and you'd expend energy to counterbalance it versus just…

I think what I’m saying is, to try to use your terms: small precise movements can be more tiring than bigger looser movements, because they require strong muscular control.

And, I’d argue, keyboards with deeper travel require less precise movements. You can rest your fingers on the keys so you know where you are, and it takes a comfortable longish movement to press a key rather than a tiny precise movement.

Re: Pock: Display macOS Dock in Touch Bar

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Post by zhte415 » Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

mattkevan wrote: post #148

zhte415 wrote: post #51

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I still have a T420 for the keyboard and have no plans of leaving it.

Yeah the keyboard is nice, but the full-click trackpad is a rackety piece of crap. Have to use a mouse on mine as the trackpad click switch has so much travel that I’ve accidentally moved the pointer off the thing I wanted to click on by the time it reaches the bottom. Tried using tap to click and fiddling with the settings, but on Linux it’s temperamental.

The track-pad is small enough for me not to be a problem typing (it is small, compared to Macs especially), and have never used the nipple for anything serious, and have a mouse. But the keyboard.. simply the best.