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The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by rjf72 »

tomp wrote: post #164
rjf72 wrote: post #93

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Does the current state of society not give you pause when you state that our bodies are so resilient to most foods? US obesity rates have nearly tripled in way less than a single generation, there are skyrocketing rates of mental illness, reduced academic achievement, and even evidence of a decline in IQ in developed nations. I find it challenging to attribute this entirely to lifestyle changes and the internet. In t…

> even evidence of a decline in IQ in developed nations Can you expand on this? Only thing I've heard is the Flynn effect, which is probably longer-term... And the only other thing I think of in association with "long-term, potentially worrisome, population-wide unexplained decline" is testosterone levels.

Sure, it's a fairly recent discovery. Like you know of course the Flynn effect was the observation that 'real' IQs were increasing over time. They're always normalized such that the mean is 100 with a 15 point standard deviation, but that 100 market kept representing a higher and higher 'real' score.

This has been observed to have reversed in many developed nations. By reversed it's not like it's reaching an asymptotic zero rate of growth, but genuinely decreasing. This was first observed in Scandinavian countries in the mid nineties. Outside of Scandinavia this decline has been corroborated in at least the UK, Australia, Germany, France, and the Netherlands. It's probably reasonable to hypothesize that the reason it's yet to be corroborated elsewhere is a mix of the lack of testing or a lack of earlier testing to compare against. Scandinavia, for instance, has compulsory enlistment which, in turn, entails compulsory IQ testing which is then made publicly available. The declines are also extremely significant. For instance in the extreme case, Denmark IQ's dropped by 1.5 points on average in just 5 years.

For now the exact cause(s) are not agreed upon and it's a topic that isn't receiving anywhere near the attention deserves due to people's sensitivity to the topic. Dysgenic factors are almost certainly playing some role, but a decline has also been observed even between brothers. Again, yet another mystery of society somehow deteriorating for no apparent reason. In this case, I do think us inadvertently poisoning ourselves (yet again) in some way or another is probably the best case scenario.

Wiki has a decent paragraph on the topic [1]. Searches or things like Google Scholar can turn up far more as well.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Possible_end_of_p...

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by astura »

ThomPete wrote: post #159
cies wrote: post #149

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But slower to digest thus less of a blood sugar spike.

Its carbs they make me gain weight really fast. Thats the problem i am having and why i would love a beyond bread/pasta solution.

You sure bread and pasta make you gain weight because "carbs," not just because bread and pasta taste good?

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by ThomPete »

chongli wrote: post #180
ThomPete wrote: post #169

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Thats because you haven't had proper potatoes in their season then. In Denmark it's a national delicacy to have same day potatoes cooked or in salads. They are silky smooth, super easy to peel (you simply just rub the skin off) and are amazing with dill, creme fraîse and any meat you can think off.

Maybe not. Maybe in Denmark you have tasty heirloom varieties. Here in North America, most of the potatoes you see in the store are white, waxy, starchy, and bland. If you're not going to fry them then you usually need copious amounts of butter and salt. Having said that, have you tried your potatoes completely plain (no fat or salt)?

Yes, you can even eat them raw when they are new.

I live in the US now and you can easily get potatoes if you go upstate in New York where I live. The problem is that they are way too long to get to the dinner table :)

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by ThomPete »

fwip wrote: post #187
ThomPete wrote: post #170

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Fat doesn't make you fat. If you only eat meat you will loose weight not gain it regardless of how much fat is in it.

I think that's more the malnutrition causing weight loss, there.

Jordan Peterson and his daughter who basically only eat meat got rid of autoimmune issues.

I lost the most weight when I eat only meat (including the fat) & green salads (or any non-carbohydrates)

Not malnutrition at all. I

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by ThomPete »

astura wrote: post #192
ThomPete wrote: post #159

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Its carbs they make me gain weight really fast. Thats the problem i am having and why i would love a beyond bread/pasta solution.

You sure bread and pasta make you gain weight because "carbs," not just because bread and pasta taste good?

Yes I am very sure about that. I have been doing this for 20 years now.

When I don't eat carbs I feel the best, has the most energy and loose weight.

It's pretty significant.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by dang »

vibrato wrote: post #186
mattste wrote: post #137

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If you believe that a vegan or vegetarian diet can't supply adequate nutrition, then your information is outdated. Source: my wife who is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist.

I'll ask your wife's boyfriend.

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Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by fwip »

ThomPete wrote: post #194
fwip wrote: post #187

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I think that's more the malnutrition causing weight loss, there.

Jordan Peterson and his daughter who basically only eat meat got rid of autoimmune issues. I lost the most weight when I eat only meat (including the fat) & green salads (or any non-carbohydrates) Not malnutrition at all. I

Yeah, Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a charlatan. I'm sorry you got snookered by him, but it's not too late.

That all-meat diet sure isn't helping you. Your attention span didn't even last for your whole post before you got confused, hit send, and wandered off.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #163
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #60

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Your source is based on USDA data, which I assume is per capita US consumption. Meat and seafood consumption are quite different in other parts of the world.

You’re not going to sell this to a fisherman in Papua New Guinea who live off $1 a day...

If it's cheaper than the price of fish (which I think is the long term aim of Beyond Meat et. al.), you will definitely sell the poor and lower middle class. Meats and seafood are more expensive parts of a diet.

It's better for the environment (smaller carbon footprint), it's more ethical, and it's cheaper -- if the manufacturing of meatless and seafoodless substitutes can achieve this at scale.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by NoPicklez »

rjf72 wrote: post #128
NoPicklez wrote: post #98

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You're correct, but I feel like that's a huge question that may be partially answered by processed foods, but not fully. For instance, work/life pressure results in stress, which could result in overeating which is easy to do given that not only is fast food more readily available than ever, but now so is restaurant quality foods though Uber. By ordering Uber at home you aren't going out, therefore you are being less…

Sure, I think all of that is completely reasonable - and quite likely. The only thing that gives me concern in addition to this is leaded fuel and similar such stories over time. We now know longterm exposure to leaded fuel causes all sorts of nasty things including reduced IQ and reduced impulse control. Of course lead is a neurotoxin but neurotoxicity is all about the amount of exposure -- fluoride, for instance, i…

Totally agree, especially with such additives like aspartame, sucralose etc.

Re: The Race to Become the Beyond Meat of Fish

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Post by hkyeti »

wtmt wrote: post #181
hkyeti wrote: post #96

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Am an investor in both cell-cultured meat and plant-based meat. Personally I'm more bullish about plant-based meat, though cell-based is an important plan B

How exactly do you become an investor in these? Could you elaborate or provide an email in your profile (temporarily, while I check often for a day or two) for further contact?

Plant-meat, one I cold contacted. The second I got an introduction from a mutual friend. Cell-meat I got an introduction to them. Sure, feel free to emial me simon bitesociety.com
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