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Like I said above, what’s wrong with the simple idea of getting people to pay for apps and avoid any ads?

I don't think there is, and there's a lot of apps with that model. However, that's not the topic at hand.

Hopefully with Apple making it harder to monetize via ads, it will be the topic.

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Norway also ban: Alcohol, smoke, gaming, all ads to children, all gun related, not allowed to count points in games before children are 13, credit card loans, all health related than can’t show scientific benefit..

> Norway also ban: Alcohol, smoke, gaming Gaming, as in like video games and board games are banned? Seriously?

Scandinavian translation difficulty: the word for a gambling game here is ‘spel’ or game (at least in Swedish), a video game is a ‘datorspel’ or computer game.

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Personally it depends on the product. I find advertising specific prescription drugs abhorrent to anyone. However, I think it’s completely reasonable to say talk to your doctor about ED or whatever. If there is only one treatment they seem similar, but when several options exist people should not be pushing for a specific drug based on an ad campaign.

I find the idea of any ad reccomending me to talk to a doctor extremely creepy - in what world would you want ad providers acting as doctors..

In the abstract it makes sense:

- We've decided (in the US at least, but most everywhere short of a few communist or communist-adjacent countries) that the way we incentivize and reward drug researchers is by having them work for pharmaceutical companies that profit on the free market—and in particular that drugs are valuable to society and worth researching in proportion to how much profit they bring.

- If you don't know that a certain medical condition is a medical condition, you might not seek treatment for it, or you might not recognize it at all. In particular, rare diseases by their nature are those that many doctors don't know how to diagnose, and new treatments by their nature won't have been part of those doctors' curriculum.

- There are few means of reliably pushing information to the general public outside of advertising.

Therefore advertising "talk to your doctor about this condition" (and perhaps "whether certain drugs might be right for you") is both a rational / logical response within this framework and exactly what the framework wants you to do.

If we want to get rid of it, let's redesign the framework: reward drug researchers in some way other than profits, or find out how to inform either doctors or patients about new treatments in some other way.

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> Keep in mind that once customers expect your app to follow the Kids Category requirements, it will need to continue to meet these guidelines in subsequent updates, even if you decide to deselect the category. I love this. You can't just follow kids guidelines to build up your user-base and then drop it in favor of ads and analytics. Once you follow it, you have to continue to follow it.

This is more proof that apps and games are just another form of media. There are the same issues and conundrums dealing with children's media, as there are for books and television. I wish there would appear a 2019 version of Children's Television Workshop which would produce wonderful media for the children of today. (Is it already happening in some form?)

BBC CBeebies and CBBC is pretty goodd for kids programmes.

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Here's how I expect this to go: 1. Six months from now, Apple will announce a new ad network, which will be whitelisted for Kids apps. 2. Twelve months from now, they'll ban all non-Apple ad networks in kids apps. If they want to be subtle about it, I'm sure they'll find some inappropriate ad to use as a pretext. 3. 18 months from now, they'll open their ad network to all apps. 4. 24 months from now, they'll ban non-…

Sure thing I will cheer. I'm tired to death by quality and content of the ads in apps right now. I'm tired to death that apps have size of an elephant because of bunch of unrelated advertising and tracking frameworks compiled in. I'm tired that apps require permissions they don't need and then send data who knows where. And no, I don't give accesses, but bunch of people who has my contact information and less tech sa…

I'm more tired of walled gardens than of random apps on the app store.

I block advertising and tracking networks on my device by HOSTS file which you can only do on a rooted device. It also blocks "legit" ads.

I will _NEVER_ buy a locked device. Period.

Some of my favorite open-source apps for Android (which contain no tracking and no ads) can not exist in a walled garden.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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post #77

How about adding an additional, voluntary section with apps that are bound by the same standards and requirements, rather than segmented by audience or purpose?

I would hope that an adult would have the maturity to make the decision not to use ad supported apps if they didn't want to.

Adults can't really make that decision for analytics though. Most iOS users that don't use facebook have no idea that facebook has all of their data including their location because third party apps are using facebook's analytics SDK, for example.

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Do you morally disagree with advertising/tracking monetization as a whole or just those particularly geared towards vulnerable populations? (children in your instance) I have my professional job developing software solutions for clients on a contractual base, but for a period after I graduated university I dabbled in mobile development and made the decision during that time that I'd never bloat my crappy apps with ad…

I can give you my feelings towards this topic. Personally, I don't mind ads that inform me of the existence of a product that I may be interested in, where it tells me how it can solve my problems. What I don't like is ads that use psychological devices to try to get me to buy their product. I also don't like ads that are a distraction of the content I'm trying to consume. So when playing a game, if the ad scroll at…

The distraction aspect is what really gets to me; cancelled my NYTimes subscription after these bright red / orange advertisements loaded all over the page, where the content I was interested in was the bland black text over white background. Couldn't even read the headlines without naturally focusing on the bright red advertisements.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Dropping adds seems good to me, but dropping analytics doesn't seem great from a game dev perspective. New features and game balance is often driven by analytics data. For example, if no one's using a certain feature in the game then maybe it needs more attention brought to it or maybe attention won't be focused on it for the next update. I understand that there's a fine line between game analytics and farming PII bu…

I guess I should start a service that provides small indie devs with "first party" analytics. I provide the software, it runs on a server dedicated to you, your data is separate from anyone else's. That's first-party, right? But I suppose I would have to charge 3x more for that than Amplitude does.

There are a few OSS projects that do this. I am not sure how well they integrate with mobile apps though.

https://matomo.org/

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