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Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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“create a list of all of the songs I haven’t played in X days” - this can easily be done in winamp. they got full query language that can be saved as a playlist. i even think they got this as one of pre-sets.

Yes because giving users “a full query language” is appropriate for the masses....

Well, I only measure the things how they work for me. And these smart playlist were the default - you can press "edit" and see how they did it to learn and customize.

"?playedLast < 30d" is not a hard query filter

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The arguments here between "file hierarchy" versus the "library/drawer/shoebox" styles of organization highlight a fundamental failing of traditional filesystems: The need to store certain content under multiple horizontal categories (or folders.) For example I will add the same song to multiple playlists, for different moods and activities, or a photo may have multiple elements that I might search for (e.g. "nature"…

I've used playlists since the 90s, there is no technical issue preventing their use from a filesystem.

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Seems interesting, especially since I used to use Rockbox. But my iPod Classic/6G is in the Rockbox unstable category and has apparently been that way for 2 years. Bummer, I still use mine all the time. :(

The port status for the 6G does look pretty good, though. https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodClassicPort

Good to know, thanks! I didn't see this.

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Seems interesting, especially since I used to use Rockbox. But my iPod Classic/6G is in the Rockbox unstable category and has apparently been that way for 2 years. Bummer, I still use mine all the time. :(

I've been using Foobar2000 with some iPod plugin to sync my iPod classic for as long as I can remember. It's never failed me yet. That could be another option.

Thanks for the suggestion. Other friends of mine swear by Foobar2K, but I can't stand the interface (a combination of hard for me to use/configure and bad aesthetics), so much so that I still prefer to use Winamp.

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As someone who prefers to own music and organize it how I want, this is incredibly disappointing. I have no doubt that Apple Music will include only a fraction of the features I've come to depend on.

Bandcamp is way better than itunes for this. Gives you the option to download lossless audio as well.

Bandcamp is an online store, not a music library manager...

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The arguments here between "file hierarchy" versus the "library/drawer/shoebox" styles of organization highlight a fundamental failing of traditional filesystems: The need to store certain content under multiple horizontal categories (or folders.) For example I will add the same song to multiple playlists, for different moods and activities, or a photo may have multiple elements that I might search for (e.g. "nature"…

I've used playlists since the 90s, there is no technical issue preventing their use from a filesystem.

Of course. "Playlists" are a layer over the filesystem to make up for deficiencies of a traditional filesystem.

Playlist-like organization is useful for a lot of other types of content besides music, so why not bring those features back into the filesystem layer?

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> People don't care about how the files are stored, and they shouldn't need to. The second clause of this sentence is a pretty good software design value. The first part is overgeneralizing at best. Some people care very much about where in a folder/directory system their files are stores. I'm not just talking about HN audiences, I'm talking about actual people I've observed from personal acquaintances to real live u…

The separation between logical and physical data is a very old concept used to enhance UX everywhere and has been the general trend for decades. Most people are not concerned about files, they want music. Tracks, playlists, artists, albums, etc. That's how they think and interact, and this abstraction provides that rich interface. That's why it's so seamless to switch from iTunes to Spotify where everything is stream…

> The separation between logical and physical data is a very old concept used to enhance UX everywhere and has been the general trend for decades.

I mean, yes. Files as we're speaking of them are in fact this very thing themselves. But:

> Most people are not concerned about files

Do you know how you know that? Is it based off of observation, or is it a story you like to tell yourself?

Like I said, I'm not pulling this out of my nose, I'm basing this off of real life observations including non-technical users. It isn't everyone who wants files in every case, but it is waaay more than a tiny minority. It's a little complicated given that you've got at least two curves you're dealing with (user experience and very roughly speaking intelligence), but if you imagine a bell curve and draw a line about a half standard deviation down from the median, roughly everyone north of that will likely care about files or file-related behavior at some point.

> they want music.

Ask yourself this: do you see "Copy Song Link" with Spotify tracks? What exactly do you think Activities are doing all over iOS?

These are ways of directing/handling files.

> If you do want to handle the raw files then there's nothing stopping you

Except sometimes in applications written/designed by people who think "they want music" means "Most people are not concerned about files."

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