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Re: Google’s Chrome Becomes Web ‘Gatekeeper’ and Rivals Complain

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Was it Chrome that came up with tabs? i cant seem to remember if FF had it. If FF didnt have tabs, that is enough for me to say Chrome wiped out the competition.

If memory serves Opera was the first browser that had tabs but they were also in Firefox by the time Chrome released.

yes, I remember Opera being first with tabs too. It was one of the main reasons people chose Opera IIRC

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Windows Update would have been the peak of madness... No it was some other software where it came with the installer. I assume it was Avast as I've seen it in an update already on a different computer.

In the beginning, Chrome was bundled with Flash, and Flash was ubiquitous. When you installed or upgraded Flash, unless you checked a checkbox, Chrome would be installed.

Funny how all it took was Steve Jobs saying "no Flash on the IPhone, it sucks" and that was the end of Flash. Thank God.

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fyi that works for me at 60fps in chrome 74 on a 2018 macbook pro

Interesting. So it may be related to hardware acceleration (GPU)? Or even processor type (think side channel attack mitigations.)

FWIW, I tried both with and without hardware acceleration on my 2018 MBP, and it worked fine both ways.

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Err... I don't see either of these are relevant to the Chrome situation, given that the competitors are (and have been) also free. These aren't applicable for markets of free goods and services.

> that the competitors are (and have been) also free IE was free when Netscape Navigator was a paid product. Chrome was free when Opera was a paid product.

> Chrome was free when Opera was a paid product.

Chrome didn't exist when Opera was a paid product.

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Great time for Microsoft to open source its Edge engine. It sure seems like it works great and has no Google related problems so it can form base for future foss adventures.

Considering Edge is just an evolved Trident engine, open sourcing it would probably be very difficult. A 24-year-old proprietary software project may have commercially licensed parts inside it that aren't subject to open sourcing; MS has certainly made such deals in the past like the ZIP support in Windows Explorer being licensed from a third party.

I think they could manage, given that they open sourced bunch of stuff that probably had the same problems.

What is shame is for such valuable effort to die. Tech dying is a shame and you can see it everywhere, from folks experimenting with TempleOs to 8bit game emulators...

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fyi that works for me at 60fps in chrome 74 on a 2018 macbook pro

Is there a FPS display option that I don't see? Nonetheless, it runs smoothly on Chrome 76.0.3807.0 (Canary) on a Late 2013 iMac.

Open the developer console, press ctrl+shift+p (I guess, cmd instead of ctrl in Mac), a search bar shows up, write "fps" in it, and there you can turn on an FPS meter popup.

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Great time for Microsoft to open source its Edge engine. It sure seems like it works great and has no Google related problems so it can form base for future foss adventures.

Considering Edge is just an evolved Trident engine, open sourcing it would probably be very difficult. A 24-year-old proprietary software project may have commercially licensed parts inside it that aren't subject to open sourcing; MS has certainly made such deals in the past like the ZIP support in Windows Explorer being licensed from a third party.

As well as the spellchecker in Word, if I remember correctly.

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Anecdotal observation: A few years ago, I made a video game for an early 1960s computer, the PDP-1, running in an homegrown emulator in web technology. [1] Amazingly, the game runs at 60 frames per second (yes, you could do this with early 1960s tech), and, amazingly, browsers were able to render the emulation, including a rather complex simulation of the dual-phosphor screen, at 60 fps (you could do this in 2016). A…

fyi that works for me at 60fps in chrome 74 on a 2018 macbook pro

Works fine on Windows as well, also Chrome 74.

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Google is a clear monopoly, there's no doubt about it. It has a 70% browser market share, 70% market share in the search ecosystem. Even though their service is good and people are happy, I think they need to be broken down for the sake of keeping an open internet. Even Facebook for that matter. That's my opinion

Im surprised facebook was an afterthought for you. I immediately think of facebook whenever i think of bad things involving the internet. Google doesn't even really cross my mind, it's just the most prominent internet thing so of course it's bad in some ways, that's just entropy.

Probably because it's trivial to cut facebook out of your Internet experience. Google,... not so much.

Re: Google’s Chrome Becomes Web ‘Gatekeeper’ and Rivals Complain

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Anecdotal observation: A few years ago, I made a video game for an early 1960s computer, the PDP-1, running in an homegrown emulator in web technology. [1] Amazingly, the game runs at 60 frames per second (yes, you could do this with early 1960s tech), and, amazingly, browsers were able to render the emulation, including a rather complex simulation of the dual-phosphor screen, at 60 fps (you could do this in 2016). A…

Do you know what changed in Chrome that caused the slow down?
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