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WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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Post by gsich »

bjourne wrote: post #36
roywiggins wrote: post #11

It's not just the NSO group. Hacking Team is not exactly shy about the services they offer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team FinFisher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinFisher MiniPanzer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer

Wow! I had no idea there was a whole industry selling spyware to dictatorships. Surveillance equipment, yes, but not actual hacking tools. Really sickening. Must be why governments in Europe are so afraid of Huawei building 5G networks - they will only run Chinese spyware.

Why should a RAN have Internet connection?

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Post by romanovcode »

eof wrote: post #30
bjourne wrote: post #7

All my life I've thought spyware was developed primarily by evil Russian and Chinese hackers. But apparently also by Israeli developers with their government's blessing and open endorsement. That's some very shady stuff. Before someone says something about government surveillance of fiber cables. Yes, that is also bad, but exploiting vulnerabilities to install spyware on peoples phones... It crosses yet another line…

I love how you’ve been convinced that Russia and China are naughty and Israel is somehow too good to be shady.

Propaganda at work it seems

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Post by jplayer01 »

jtl999 wrote: post #93
wahern wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The secure enclaves on Android smartphones have a poor track record. Even the top-of-the-line manufacturers have seen published hacks of their TEE environments, and those are usually just the tip of the iceberg. Android is incomparable to Apple's platform in this regard. (I'm not trying to argue the iPhone is unhackable, though.) FWIW, I'm an Android user.

The Pixel 3 has a "Titan M" chip with much reduced attack surface compared to the TEE. Don't otherwise know much about it.

Still leaves 99,9999% of the Android market vulnerable.

Re: WhatsApp voice calls were used to inject spyware on phones

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Post by stunt »

ars wrote: post #105
savethefuture wrote: post #43

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Interesting to hear about this lack of boundaries among Israelis, is this only for non-Israelis or do you/they cross each others boundaries? Is this a cultural thing, why do you think this the case?

> Is this a cultural thing Israelis in general are very blunt and perfectly willing to question superiors and voice opinions and questions in situations where Americans never would. This includes the military where subordinates would question a superior in a way that would never fly in an American military (and probably others). Israelis on the street will voice opinions to strangers in a way that would be perceived…

> Israelis in general are very blunt and perfectly willing to question superiors and voice opinions and questions in situations where Americans never would. This includes the military where subordinates would question a superior in a way that would never fly in an American military (and probably others).

Well, they claim they are but you don't see anything at least from outside. From outside it seems they are easily buying whatever government is selling to them. Working on surveillance projects is rather embraced and you even receive strong social support for it.

So I don't get how do you compare it to the US! Whereas in the US you would have a hard time to convince people to work on surveillance projects and even then often people end up having a hard time with their moral values even when they are not directly doing anything wrong. Not to mention many anti-surveillance activists are based in the US. I believe that is a very unfair comparison.

The truth is every country you look people are a bag of goods and bads and they manage to find greedy people to work on surveillance projects even in the EU.

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Post by jmkni »

roywiggins wrote: post #11

It's not just the NSO group. Hacking Team is not exactly shy about the services they offer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Team FinFisher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinFisher MiniPanzer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer

IIRC FinFisher was founded by the same guy who created Backtrack (now Kali Linux)?

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Post by MagnumOpus »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #155
dash2 wrote: post #134

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The US has killed millions of people in the last 15 years alone in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen and a dozen other countries that we have bombed or invaded (including the 8 we are bombing right now). I'm under no illusions about the many despicable things done by the Russians and the Chinese, but its simply absurd to contend that their behavior has any worse than the United States. We have more of our citize…

> We have toppled more governments and invaded more countries than Russia and China combined by a factor of 10 (or more)

Russia/Soviet Union is roughly on par with the US on the invasion/occupation/regime change count -- of course they did it mostly in eastern Europe, the Caucasus and the MENA region rather than in Latin America.

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Post by Udik »

bigiain wrote: post #91
wyclif wrote: post #63

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I agree. Nobody should underestimate the Mossad: https://youtu.be/bJujIwtdk8w

From my favourite Usenix paper ( https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf ): Basically, you’re either dealing with Mossad or not-Mossad. If your adversary is not-Mossad, then you’ll probably be fine if you pick a good password and don’t respond to emails from ChEaPestPAiNPi11s@virus-basket.biz.ru. If your adversary is the Mossad, YOU’RE GONNA DIE AND THERE’S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. The Mos…

> ...they’re going to hold a press conference and say “It wasn’t us” as they wear t-shirts that say “IT WAS DEFINITELY US,” and then they’re going to buy all of your stuff at your estate sale so that they can directly look at the photos of your vacation instead of reading your insipid emails about them.

That's basically Israel's attitude on anything: doing anything they want without any kind of boundaries, then denying brazenly they did it, while doing it again and again. Like having snipers shooting at thousands of civilians, kids, journalists, paramedics, who are protesting inside their own borders.

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