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Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by ztratar »

britt_binler wrote: post #139
pastor_elm wrote: post #55

I just looked at Stripe's job page and noticed they don't advertise any positions as "Senior" nor do they appear to list 'years required' in any of their listings. Definitely a fresh take, and I hope it actually does yield better applicants and results!

Apparently, everyone has the "same" title - levels are only reflected in your pay band.

Correct. I work at Stripe.

By the way, this goes almost all-the-way-up.

Even people who were former VPs at Google often have the title "Engineering Manager". Sure, they mostly manage other EMs, but it's hard to precisely tell who is super senior and who isn't.

This actually plays out nicely, as it encourages everyone to default to each other as equals. Later on you'll hear things like "did you know that person built the entire first version of Atlas by themselves?" only to realize they are, in fact, very experienced. :]

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by awad »

imhoguy wrote: post #141
kevsim wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There is substantial organizational, legal, and financial infrastructure required to support each new jurisdiction we hire in, so we have to be measured in how quickly we expand." Each country you want to pay salary in comes with legal aspects. Therefore they have to be a bit tactical with where they try to hire people.

As remote guy I see potential for disruption in this area. So far umbrella subsidiaries or agencies and invoice-based contracting does the job, but stuff like IP rights and liability is quite complex. We would need some Stripe-like service for employment matters.

This is spot on. People who've never had to deal with the administrative overhead of having to accommodate a new locale per employee don't realize how difficult it can be. There is substantial tooling on the front office side with respect to remote work, but the back office is sorely lacking and one of the key inhibiters of more companies doing this at sufficient scale.

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by danso »

sparkpy724 wrote: post #175
danso wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean “why is this even a question?”? It’s a question that frequently comes up in remote worn discussions. Stripe being a big company, and now making a big commitment to remote work, is likely to be an example other companies draw from.

Can you name a single company that pays Remote Employees SF/Bay Area salaries? Edit: Fair enough. There are companies that pay everyone SF level salaries but you can also find companies like Gitlab - 100% Remote but they explicitly downscale from SF salaries based on location. https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c...

Sure -- an other example of a company that does salary-by-location is Buffer, which posts its salary calculator online: https://buffer.com/salary/senior-data-scientist-2/average/

My point wasn't to say that Stripe should do one thing or the other regarding location-adjusted alaries. I was asking the previous commenter why he indignant that the question be asked of Stripe at all, as if it were irrelevant.

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by sciurus »

sparkpy724 wrote: post #175
danso wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean “why is this even a question?”? It’s a question that frequently comes up in remote worn discussions. Stripe being a big company, and now making a big commitment to remote work, is likely to be an example other companies draw from.

Can you name a single company that pays Remote Employees SF/Bay Area salaries? Edit: Fair enough. There are companies that pay everyone SF level salaries but you can also find companies like Gitlab - 100% Remote but they explicitly downscale from SF salaries based on location. https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-operations/global-c...

Mozilla reduces salaries outside of SF/Bay and NYC, but from what I've seen it's not a major difference.

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by sciurus »

Androider wrote: post #143

HN remote workers, does your company pay for your use of a coworking space? Or even fully manage it? I've noticed that companies I admire greatly like Basecamp, and also in yesterday's Who's Hiring thread, that they list a $200-$300 monthly stipend towards coworking space fees as an employee perk. That doesn't seem quite enough to fully cover a coworking space in NY or SF. I'm tasked with building a remote engineerin…

Mozilla will either outfit your home office and pay your ISP bill or pay $350 a month towards a coworking space.

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by paulddraper »

dudul wrote: post #119
paulddraper wrote: post #118

> There are still some constraints on our ambitions. In our first phase, we will be focused primarily on remote engineers in North America, starting with the US and Canada. While we are confident that great work is possible within close time zones, we don’t yet have structures to give remotes a reliably good experience working across large time zone differences. I get the time zone thing. So why not South America?

Maybe they don't have any legal presence there? No knowledge of employment laws, regulations, etc.

Do they have any legal presence in Canada or Mexico?

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by sciurus »

aantix wrote: post #153
Bartweiss wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buffer (which has been remote-heavy for a long time) handled this by explicitly breaking their salary assessment into multiple elements. In addition to base salary-for-role and various experience adjustments, they have a public "price sheet" describing the cost of living adjustments they apply for different locations. It's not a perfect system, I'm sure. CoL is reduced to three fairly broad bands, and other pay eleme…

Why would the cost of living factor into salary at all? I write the code. I offer architectural decisions. I'm working on the most demanded features by the customers, bringing more value to the product. What if I pair program on a feature from a person in SF? My efforts are still paid less. Who cares if I wrote the code from SF or Vietnam. I wish more remote workers would stand up to these businesses looking for a wa…

Stand up to them by doing what? Moving to SF? Turning down the job and working for a local company that pays even less?

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by ngngngng »

luminati wrote: post #166

Million dollar question - how are the remote stripes going to be compensated? Are they going to be compensated pegged on their geo-locale (which then just makes it like international offices without the office)? I'm pretty sure the dublin and singapore stripes are paid much lower than their sf counterparts. How are they going to resolve this for the remotes? Not poking at stripe, but generally as I think of remote wo…

Walmart Labs hires for my skillset pretty often. When they first started they hired remote at Silicon Valley salaries. They've now moved to a scale based on zip code. I'll always regret not jumping on that job before they made that switch.

Re: Stripe’s fifth engineering hub is Remote

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Post by avip »

Androider wrote: post #143

HN remote workers, does your company pay for your use of a coworking space? Or even fully manage it? I've noticed that companies I admire greatly like Basecamp, and also in yesterday's Who's Hiring thread, that they list a $200-$300 monthly stipend towards coworking space fees as an employee perk. That doesn't seem quite enough to fully cover a coworking space in NY or SF. I'm tasked with building a remote engineerin…

Yes, that seems to be pretty much industry standard for remote full time employee.
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