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Lyft, Uber, Zoom, Beyond Meat and now, Slack Is there any benefit of Public at this point of time? or Just a trend to grab as much as Wallet share from the average investor?

I've been seeing a lot of calls about this incoming downturn (especially HN), does anyone have any articles/analysis they can point me to? Would love to read up on the state of it.

Charles Hugh Smith is pretty perceptive (oftwominds blog) but no one knows what triggers drops in confidence and when these major events occur.

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I remember at Uber we had tried Slack for a few months and it could not scale to that number of employees (at the time around 5000 worldwide)...

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I'm staggered that there are 575 companies paying slack $100k / year. I don't even have anything against slack but what is possibly worth $100k a year from a comms software?

Slack's "plus" pricing is $15/user/month if billed monthly. That's $180/year per employee which is nothing compared to a salary.

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"Our revenue was $105.2 million, $220.5 million, and $400.6 million in fiscal years 2017, 2018, and 2019, respectively, representing annual growth of 110% and 82%, respectively. Our growth is global with international revenue representing 34%, 34%, and 36% of total revenue in fiscal years 2017, 2018, and 2019, respectively. We continue to invest in growing our business to capitalize on our market opportunity. As a re…

It’s still mind boggling that all these unicorns haven’t found a way to make money even after being in business for years and having a mature product. It’s a strange world.

Their operating expenses are likely dominated by the three types of people: software engineers (listed as R&D), sales/marketing, and administrators.

Profitability will probably come post-IPO in some form of a hiring freeze (or quotas), and cuts in perks/food per capita.

If 80%ile studio rents in San Francisco were closer to $800/month than $3400/month then maybe salaries could be 70% of what they are, and Slack would be almost break-even.

It's worth noting that profitability isn't the only useful way to run a publicly-traded business. Telecoms are typically swimming in debt, but they're (mostly) fine because they have cash flow (monthly payments; making it impossible to quit).

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I understand why "VC subsidized taxi rides" runs at a loss, but how on earth does Slack lose money?

Trying to grow as fast as possible. As others have pointed out, they could stop spending as much as they do right now to grow the company (employees as well as customers) and probably be profitable. That's not to say that this IPO isn't a cash grab by investors though.

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Surprised at Sales and Marketing expense given the low number of Enterprise (>$100k) contracts. Wonder what's baked in there beyond AE compensation? I don't see a whole lot of traditional advertising, but maybe it's out there?

I've seen tons of outdoor ads from them on the L

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Knowing how famously inefficient the Slack application is with end user resources, I wouldn’t be surprised if their backend has been poorly optimized. I serve more than 1000 users on a $3.50/mo VPS with a not-particularly-efficient runtime just fine.

Cool, 10000 more of those boxes and you can rebuild slack "in a weekend for $35k/month". Don't mind the lawsuits when you lose your customer data and forgot to pay for backups for "cost optimization" reasons. Don't mind the complaints when your uptime is barely one-nine. Don't mind the customer cancellations when your 1000-user VPS doesn't actually scale to 20k concurrents. And don't mind the HN snark when you releas…

I think you're being overly negative. I think you can do a lot with a little.

Does a chat app need to be fully searchable? I don't think so. Does it need backups? I don't think so. These are features users could opt-in for if it was that important to them. Could be something simple as sending encrypted nightly diffs to an email address.

The whole world doesn't need to be over engineered to have a useful product.

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I'm sorry; I've just seen this attitude so many times in my career of, "Why not just create an option for this thing that would completely upend the way the product works?", which doubles the number of possible things you then need to test for, complicates the product, slows down development, adds technical debt, bloats the software, and clutters up the options screen. I'm on a couple slacks, some where local culture…

Thank you for turning the conversation more polite. I agree with you about options having a cost. However, if so many of your users are complaining about something, and if the complaint is about something as important as “losing messages,” then something should be done about it. It’s no longer enough to say that “but it works for some people” or to say that “options add complexity.” Our entire core team has discussed…

If your entire core team does not want threads, then police your company's slack to make sure people aren't using threads. The engineering org at my company decided that threads should be used as much as possible and when people don't reply to a previous message using a thread, they get told to use a thread next time. After months of doing this, noisy messages that are just replies to other messages have decreased significantly. Another alternative is having people always mark the checkbox that says "Also send to #channel".

Vocal minorities shouldn't drive product decisions.

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The market is going to crash and everyone wants to cash out before it does.

What specifically will make the market crash?

If nothing else, the cycle of the market. Might not be this year, might not be next year, might not be the year after, but it's inevitable and we're coming due. Could happen at any time for any reason, but it will happen. If you're thinking of going public, you want to get in before that happens.

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Well there people who disagree and would like to invest in them. Why should your opinion be forced on them?

There are people who want to invest in ICOs, Ponzi schemes...others want to rape, murder...why should anyone’s opinions be forced on these people?

ICO’s and Ponzi scheme involve misrepresentations to the investor and/or theft
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