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Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Post by SEJeff »

brandonmenc wrote: post #157
moate wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and I'm sure they didn't get any tech or mission critical help from the US. Don't get me wrong, good on them for doing this, but let's not pretend like this happened in a bubble away from anyone else.

> I'm sure they didn't get any tech or mission critical help from the US What's your point? NASA got a bunch of help from Nazi scientists.

If someone puts a gun to your head and says "Do this thing or you and your family will be executed" it doesn't make you the same as them. Coming from Nazi Germany does not make them necessarily Nazis.

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Post by protomyth »

moate wrote: post #34
hirundo wrote: post #21

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With a population of < 3% of the USA, < 1% of China.

Right, and I'm sure they didn't get any tech or mission critical help from the US. Don't get me wrong, good on them for doing this, but let's not pretend like this happened in a bubble away from anyone else.

To be fair, the United States didn’t exactly start with home grown talent either.

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Post by SEJeff »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #178
mlindner wrote: post #160

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Humans have flaws. Elon is no different in that respect.

He could simply say he doesn't know.

But these are actual dates he gives his engineers. Unsurprisingly, engineering is very difficult. He's pushing them to reach the stars, and they've only managed to reach the moon so to speak. He's fanatical about pushing them to be their very best (depending on your POV).

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Post by SEJeff »

Medraut wrote: post #188
jesseab wrote: post #16

It's time to retire the tired old nation-state space-race narrative. We're all in this together people. Their failure is our failure.

This! While my sentiment may feel a bit Star Trekky/naive, our quest to get to the stars will only succeed if we, as a planet, pull together. If we dont, we'll be limited to this solar system. China, US, India, Israel, Russia (sorry for anyone else Im missing :-)), are all pioneers and we should celebrate their successes, and continued desire to push the envelope.

The issue every single country you listed is that space tech and ICBM tech are virtually the same. Those countries are good at it because they make excellent missiles for war. It is a sad reality. NASA and the DoD work hand in hand together, and virtually always have.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

SEJeff wrote: post #191
brandonmenc wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sure they didn't get any tech or mission critical help from the US What's your point? NASA got a bunch of help from Nazi scientists.

If someone puts a gun to your head and says "Do this thing or you and your family will be executed" it doesn't make you the same as them. Coming from Nazi Germany does not make them necessarily Nazis.

Well, Von Braun was most definitely a nazi and not driven by threats of bodily harm. He was just very into rockets, and worked with whoever let him develop them.

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Post by mrtksn »

HNthrow22 wrote: post #145
mrtksn wrote: post #13

It seems that they just got a new word in the dictionary: https://mobile.twitter.com/teamspaceil/status/11163129311033... I find it a bit irritating to be that cocky when it comes to space technology. Better luck next time!

This comment thread is both celebratory and hateful, truly disgusting from Hn. Celebrating space mission failures for any reason is a terrible look. This is a cultural difference, try to take a step back from your own preconceived cultural norms. What's considered confidence in Israel would qualify as hubris in American culture - there's much less value placed on being humble or soft-spoken in Israeli culture. I make…

I don’t know if anyone is celebrating just because it was an Israeli mission but since I started following the mission there were few tweets similar to the one in question. On the first one I just rolled my eyes and on the second one I rooted for a failure just to to imagine how annoyed the PR person would be. I know it’s not a logical behavior but it’s not affecting the outcome, so... I guess if you’re going to be overly confident and “do” when everyone else is “attempting”, you better deliver.

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Post by geezerjay »

adventured wrote: post #70
glitchc wrote: post #51

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Not to mention 0.1% of the budget!

0.1% the budget because they didn't have to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to research and build the last 60 years of space technology - rolling progress forward one painful, costly mistake at a time - to do it. Hardly seems reasonable to use such a comparison or make such a point given the actual context.

> 0.1% the budget because they didn't have to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to research and build the last 60 years of space technology

That sort of argument isn't very honest or reasonable. Would you believe it would make any sense to point out the centuries of R&D work and countless money spent on it prior to the creation of the US space program to insinuate that the US freeloaded its way into one of mankind's most important achievements?

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Post by jansan »

Symmetry wrote: post #46

As they say, space is hard and SpaceIL is hardly the first to have lost a lander. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_the_Moon It came tantalizingly close to working, though, and I have high hopes for future attempts. Per aspera ad astra .

Thanks for teaching me a new Latin proverb. I like that very much.

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Post by m0zg »

Surprised by the sheer number of naysayers on the thread. What is wrong with you people?

7th country to get that far in space, 4th to attempt to land, those are enormous achievements for a country that's has 2/3rds the population of New York (city, not state) and doesn't have a hundred billion dollars to burn in a dick-measuring contest. They'll launch another one and land next time.

If Israel knows anything, it's how to persevere.

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