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8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

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Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

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As someone who had the unfortunate label of “prodigy” applied to me in my youth (chess master at age 10), I’d like to offer a perspective. It almost goes without saying, but huge respect to the kid for being able to persevere through massive adversity and achieve such a result. What I want to suggest without hopefully ruining the “feel good” party is that the adversity and the success here aren’t just a striking coin…

While common, it's not so bad. Carlsen has a good family and he wasn't pressured to do anything. Polgar sisters were raised as chess players, but they all say only positive things about their childhood. 9 y.o Tihon Chernyaev is close to the level of Fide Master and plays competitively, but it's more of his obsession, and his mother just helps and encourages him without any pressure (that's from her own words, so coul…

> but they all say only positive things about their childhood

> his mother just helps and encourages him without any pressure (that's from her own words, so could be wrong)

For the record, almost everyone says only positive things about their childhood, including people who have been abused. The notion that "family is good" is so powerful that breaking it is one of society's biggest taboos.

Similarly, I have not met a single overbearing parent who doesn't act outwardly like they are nothing but supportive.

This doesn't mean that everyone is lying. Just that you need to take these things with a grain of salt. If abuse was always on the surface, visible to everyone at a casual glance, it wouldn't be nearly so prevalent.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No. There is not data to support this belief, At least with things like chess playing and related abilities, there is no data to suggest the opposite belief either. Any observations that we could use at sufficient scale are massively confounded by other huge environmental variables.

Let's take an easy one: basketball. There are more white high school basketball players but more black college basketball players. Are you claiming that's 100% environmental?

I never said it was 100% environmental (those are your words).

I said determining the cause of high ability in things like chess is not straightforward because of the confounding environmental factors.

Just because your cherry picked example of basketball has an obvious first order physical correlation to performance (height) doesn't mean it's comparable to chess.

And your example also ignores the fact that white students tend to have more avenues to access college than black students, so don't need basketball programs nearly as much.

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