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California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Talked to an uber driver, he said this was 'climate change'. Drought = desert rain = climate change? What is California

California has cyclical droughts and this last one was not that abnormal from the natural variability: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_in_California#Weather...

My uber driver today said the extra memory in phones is making us all sick, but computer screens were safe, so why would you even mention it was your uber driver?

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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John Steinbeck, "East of Eden", 1952. "There would be five or six wet and wonderful years when there might be nineteen to twenty-five inches of rain, and the land would shout with grass. Then would come six or seven pretty good years of twelve to sixteen inches of rain. And then the dry years would come, and sometimes there would be only seven or eight inches of rain. The land dried up and the grasses headed out mise…

I always think about this passage when I read about California droughts. I wonder if this is actually true and what causes it.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

#193

Tell that to my water bill, the drought surcharge is still over 50% of the bill...

Don't worry, they won't give you any of that back, unfortunately. We moved out of California last year, but during the drought we cut back like everyone. How did the water company reward us? Oh, they didn't make enough money anymore because everyone was conserving water so they raised everyone's rates. Sheer madness.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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The experience here in Orange County over the last few months has been nuts. Being able to hang out down near the ocean and see the San Gabriel mountains just decked out in snow is surreal: https://i.redd.it/kueaye5p6si21.jpg Another photo: https://i.redd.it/vy7dlavrh0f21.jpg Anaheim hills, an area that rarely gets snowed on: https://i.redd.it/trbf198kb6i21.jpg Then we roll right into the poppy/wildflower superbloom…

I'm in Foothill Ranch. My last two runs, since the Painted Lady butterflies have shown up, have been so fascinating. They're like leaves on the wind. I sat out back this evening and just watched them fly by. Thousands of them. It's such an incredible sight, it's like something out of a movie and it's very hard to put in to words the exact experience.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Tell that to my water bill, the drought surcharge is still over 50% of the bill...

is it legal to get rain barrels and other types of rain collection systems?

I believe it's illegal in the Bay Area, I seem to recall someone getting in trouble for doing so.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If go back a bit further you'll find that (for example) one of the big, deadly wildfires from a couple of years ago was almost identical to a wildfire that happened in that same area back in the 1960s (IIRC). And during that earlier fire a few structures burned too (there weren't that many around at the time), so thinking ahead they banned any further construction in the most dangerous part of that area. Only to conv…

The Native Americans used to set fire to the landscape every year - at least in Oregon, and I’m pretty sure California to a degree as well. I think California was literally on fire the first time missionaries sailed up the coast. I agree - controlled burns are effective at keeping brush at manageable levels, and fire is a natural part of the forest ecosystem. And part of California’s climate. Developing too close to…

Funny you should mention "hot, dry, things burn". I once did a little digging into the matter, and it turns out that once ignition temperature is reached, the difference between a fresh green leaf igniting vs. a dry brown one is on the order of just a few seconds, maybe just one or two. Which is surprisingly fast, but not so surprising when you realize that advancing flame fronts may be in the high hundreds to low thousands of degrees - plenty hot enough to quickly desiccate even the freshest leaf. It turns out that bigger factors are the size and shape of the leaf in question, what type of plant it is, and of course what the winds are doing.

Physical wetness, though, may make quite a bit of difference, especially when it comes to a fire actually igniting to begin with. But even that may not matter so much when it comes to things like lightning strikes, which may be in the tens of thousands of degrees.

So, for example, if the temperature might normally be 70F but instead is closer to 100F, that small difference is minimal compared to the temperature of any flames. But it might make a huge difference to someone fighting those flames, unless maybe they are right in the thick of them.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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I think the main reason we don't have desalination plants is because they have to be on or near the ocean, which is the most expensive property in the state. No one wants to ruin their view or have a big industrial machine near their home. Basically, I think NIMBYism keeps us from having Desal.

There's plenty of empty government land on the California Coast. The main reason there aren't more desal plants is because ejecting the leftover brine into the ocean is an environmental concern.

And it’s expensive. You pump a ton of energy into a system to get water. Water is so cheap you can pour it on the ground.

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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John Steinbeck, "East of Eden", 1952. "There would be five or six wet and wonderful years when there might be nineteen to twenty-five inches of rain, and the land would shout with grass. Then would come six or seven pretty good years of twelve to sixteen inches of rain. And then the dry years would come, and sometimes there would be only seven or eight inches of rain. The land dried up and the grasses headed out mise…

I always think about this passage when I read about California droughts. I wonder if this is actually true and what causes it.

"California drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 years, scientists say" https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/01/25/california-drought-pa...

Re: California declared drought free for first time in seven years

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They need to completely change the way water in California is billed. Right now rates keep going up as we get better at conservation, which disincentives conservation. At the same time, in areas with a flat rate, people use way too much water. When Sacramento had a flat rate, you'd see people turn on their hose as they left for work and let it flood their lawn all day, running into the street, to keep their lush gree…

I'm really confused by what you're suggesting (probably because water availability isn't really an issue here in Iowa).

Are you suggesting there should be some sort of sliding scale rate per gallon of water? Kind of like how income tax has tax brackets?

So the first bit of water you use is cheap and after that it gets expensive?

Or do you literally mean that you paid one flat fee per month for water?

My water bill is something along the lines of: Flat fee + X $/gallon * gallons used.

Usually my water bill (includes water delivery and waste treatment) runs about $100/month.

Edit: We use roughly 5500 gallons / month btw

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