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So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.
you can actually have an ad without tracking you know that right?
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Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
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Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.
Websites are allowed to charge you. They are also allowed to show (non-tracking) ads, and they can also track you if you agree to it. What is not allowed is to withdraw services to those that want to exercise their right to privacy.
Thanks, this helps clear up some of my understanding. I still think its ridiculous that websites can't refuse to serve who they want.
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#193internet visitors must be asked for permission in advance for any tracking software to be placed — such as third-party tracking cookies; tracking pixels; and browser fingerprinting tech — and that that permission must be freely obtained... Is this really what we want? Yes. I'm not even European, and I'm perfectly fine with this. Ask me to track me. If I like you, your web site, or your content, then sure. I'll give y…
So once you've determined that you like a site you are going through the hassle of figuring out how you can reenable the tracking after you disabled it on your first visit?
I have faith that the best and brightest people in the SV bubble will find a way to "surface" that feature.
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Anyone who didn't see this as the predictable end-result of requiring cookie awareness and consent was hopelessly naive about how large vs. small organizations respond to unfunded government mandates. The money and time could have been a lot better spent on international awareness campaigns arming consumers with more privacy knowledge instead of expecting website owners to shoulder the informational burden (because t…
This is not the end-result at all. It is an intermediate result. European data protection agencies will start handing out fines, then courts will start ruling, and in a few years we will see the end-result. My prediction is that these Cookie shenanigans will be ruled as illegal according to GDPR, and then they will disappear.
This. Completely this.
Thank you
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that something being 'required for product to function' refers to technical requirements, not revenue requirements. So, yes I agree that it's a problem for small sites (or really anyone who tries to make money on ads).
So this is a bad rule, because enforcing it will result in eliminating independent small sites which have no other means for financing themseves than ads.
Advertising doesn't require recording detailed profiles of individuals without their consent. Think of magazines, billboards, television, radio, etc.
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#196This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?
“incompetence”, “detachment” right. I, for one, am happy that bullshit like “hey, we send your data to 244 trackers uncontrollably” has become visible and is being called out. I mean, visible only in the EU. Dark patterns and site-blocking are anti-GDPR, so I’m hoping for some heavy fine across the board. And, hopefully, if not the end then curtailing of the intrusive and tracking cookies, ads etc.
Facebook hasn't made any more privacy or policy SANFU's over the last 12 months than they have any year before that, and yet interestingly this is the year where the people around me have been taking an interest in what I use instead of facebook and taking active steps to move away from it.
These laws force people who are attempting to take advantage of non-technical users to either stop it, or do so in an obvious way that lets even non-technical users see that /something/ is up.
It's good, I like it. It's driving social progress, as truth always does. I'll get downvoted for expressing that opinion here of course. Too many american software developers who want to inflict their freedom on others I guess.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#197This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?
Back in the early days, browsers used to prompt you for every cookie:
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#198This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?
How do you remember that a customer has responded to a popup if you don't give them a cookie? Even a cookie as a session identifier.
There’s a common misconception that any cookie of any type needs a pop up.
The rules are actually only concerned with tracking cookies. Session cookies and user preference cookies aren’t within its scope. They are still perfectly acceptable to use without explicit consent from the user.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#199What if the EU instead mandated that browser makers have to keep up with, implement, and enable by default the highest levels of tracking protection possible? It would be far easier to enforce that on four or five organizations (half of which already do that) than to try and corral millions of websites into compliance.
GDPR applies to a lot of things that are not mediated by the data subject's web browser. For example, when your grocery store takes your purchase history (from your rewards card) and sells it to a marketing or credit reporting agency. Or when housing or job applications are rejected by error-prone automated background checks. The website stuff may be more visible, but it's not the main thrust of the legislation except insofar as it has exposed how many websites are collecting and trading in your information.
Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop
#200This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?
Back in the early days, browsers used to prompt you for every cookie: https://i.imgur.com/FThIFHe.png
i don't think i ever saw that. which browser?