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Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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Please build me a Linux laptop for software engineering, Google. For engineers only. No software support beyond ensuring the BIOS and the drivers work and are updated. I hate Dell, but I got a Dell XPS 15 because it was the only laptop I knew would: boot Linux reliably; last two Ubuntu LTS upgrades (4 years); have a high spec (i9 etc); and was reasonably priced (Apple tax was 50% higher for worse hardware). Is it imp…

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Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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post #87

Please build me a Linux laptop for software engineering, Google. For engineers only. No software support beyond ensuring the BIOS and the drivers work and are updated. I hate Dell, but I got a Dell XPS 15 because it was the only laptop I knew would: boot Linux reliably; last two Ubuntu LTS upgrades (4 years); have a high spec (i9 etc); and was reasonably priced (Apple tax was 50% higher for worse hardware). Is it imp…

Have you kept up with the Pixelbook development? Chrome OS is pretty great for general "cloud" work (AWS management for example). It runs containerized Android apps (which I use to run the native Gmail app to fly through my inbox).

But that's nothing compared to the new stuff. It runs containerized linux with a great abstraction layer that connects GUI calls from linux into the beautiful hi-dpi Chrome OS desktop environment (I think it's still called "Aurora"?)

It's still in beta, but they're almost ready to add: - USB support (obviously important here, but they want you to be able to develop android apps on it) - Sound from linux container -> hardware speakers (I believe this is in beta channel now though?) - graphic acceleration (also is in early testing, canary branch maybe?) - backup/restore functionality (lose your laptop? get a new one and restore your container)

All of this in one of the sexiest laptops with the best keyboard of any of the ~5 machines I own for $999

I've been using it as my main development machine (a complicated electronJS app that windows substate on linux choked on) and all the backend/database work for over a year and I love it. You could get it on sale for $699, too.

Main complaint? If you need to do a lot of work in VM's. You currently can't spin up a Windows VM or anything very easily, but rumor has it they're working on letting you dualboot in the future.

I freaking love this machine. They should pay me to evangelize but I promise they don't :)

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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Lots and lots and lots of devices with google services and chrome. That bring ads. That bring money. A lot of money.

Do you think that Oracle's lawyers missed that when they said in court documents that Google made $31B on Android? A number that Google didn't dispute... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oracle-google-lawsuit/ora...

Why would Google have disputed an obvious lowball? They were getting sued...

The first line at your link: "...revenue of about $31 billion and profit of $22 billion..." Again, fake numbers, but wow that's profitable.

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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Does Alphabet still own any visible bits of Motorola? My phone claims to be Motorola, by Lenovo, complete with broken Bluetooth LE support....

Alphabet sold Motorola to Lenovo a few years ago after doing really nothing productive with them.

The Motorola phones of a few years ago were much more reliable than the two I've been stupid enough to buy since then.

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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What is it about Dell that you hate? Anyways, Thinkpads are also held in high esteem for running Linux. I'm currently using a Dell XPS (2016 model) at home and a Thinkpad at my current customer project, both running Ubuntu 16.04, and I can recommend both. I chose the Thinkpad over a MacBook Pro, and would do again, but the display and touchpad is no match to Dell's, much less Apple's; that's however no problem becaus…

^+1 for Thinkpads running Linux. Switched from MBPs to these a year ago, never going back.

Do you actually use your computer unplugged?

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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> I guarantee you that if Google produced the laptop that you and 22 other people would buy you'd hear nothing but complaints about it. Counterpoint: I know plenty of happy developers that own multiple Nexus and Pixel products, without bagging them. Engineers want good hardware and many are willing to pay for quality. > As for the so-called "Apple tax" For as close to equivalent as I could get (specification, reliabi…

> Paying for an unused Windows license for the XPS was unavoidable The website gives you the option to save $90 if you have them install linux on the XPS 13. I suspect you may be able to call and get the same deal on the XPS 15. At least when I was buying from them 20 years ago you could do that...

AFAIK XPS 15 doesn't come with a Linux option (and for me, I bought it through a reseller who had a black Friday deal, so I wouldn't have had the option).

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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post #87

Please build me a Linux laptop for software engineering, Google. For engineers only. No software support beyond ensuring the BIOS and the drivers work and are updated. I hate Dell, but I got a Dell XPS 15 because it was the only laptop I knew would: boot Linux reliably; last two Ubuntu LTS upgrades (4 years); have a high spec (i9 etc); and was reasonably priced (Apple tax was 50% higher for worse hardware). Is it imp…

Have you looked at Thinkpad? You could run linux on Carbon X1 and have ultra-mobile package with i7. $1500 but you have one of the best laptops in the market in my view - keyboard, screen, size, weight, feel, specs, battery life, etc. I own the latest Macbook Pro 15 and Carbon X1 6th gen. I want to pick up my thinkpad more than the MacBook. I find Aluminum not a good material for laptops - it is uninviting, heavy and…

The new X1 Carbon is not a good Linux machine. Some hardware just doesn’t work (built in LTE). Then there is a bunch of manual configuration required to fix various things, e.g. throttling. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carb...

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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post #87

Please build me a Linux laptop for software engineering, Google. For engineers only. No software support beyond ensuring the BIOS and the drivers work and are updated. I hate Dell, but I got a Dell XPS 15 because it was the only laptop I knew would: boot Linux reliably; last two Ubuntu LTS upgrades (4 years); have a high spec (i9 etc); and was reasonably priced (Apple tax was 50% higher for worse hardware). Is it imp…

Hey most Intel Chromebooks now support Crostini i.e. you can run native Linux programs . It runs in a VM under the hood and it's well integrated with the outside OS. Give it a shot.

I would love to, but how many Chromebooks have an i9, 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD?!

(I wrote another comment for why I use a high-spec laptop: basically multiple VM's and greedy development tools).

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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Too bad they never had a fully supported way to install Linxu on it. I vaguely remember reading that google internally used a heavily modified Ubuntu for themselves. (or maybe just some custom repos)

There is Crostini now. Basically a Linux VM that is integrated in the OS.

Yeah, no thanks. I barely trust Google with my cloud data. Using a Google hardware product? Lol.

Re: Google Hardware makes cuts to laptop and tablet development, cancels products

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Building hardware is difficult. Like really difficult. More difficult that anyone expects it to be.

Everyone assumes that designing a product for mass production must be easy since "industry" is a part of the "old economy" and thusly must have been so figured out that anyone can do it. The reality is that the past century of modern manufacturing development hasn't resulted in amazing amounts of simplicity just the same as how the "tech" world has only become more complex. The difference is one has a century of exponential complexity growth behind it while.the other has ~30 years of complexity growth in its modern era.
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