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Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Having people vote again and again until you get the result you want is like ignoring the vote.

First of all, two votes is not "again and again" in any sense of the phrase. I take your point, but nobody is suggesting referendums without end. Second of all, bringing something up for a vote more that once is not like ignoring the vote. Rejected proposals are very often brought back up, maybe with some retooling, maybe just in hopes that the passage of time has made them more palatable. For example, Quebec voted o…

> I take your point, but nobody is suggesting referendums without end.

Of course not, just until people vote remain!

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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How would you know that one party understands the other side? Because they went silent? How would you know one party understands the other side, and continues to talk about their own politics anyway? That would again seem like they are just talking and not understanding each other.

You'd know because they can explain the other side's position in terms that the other side recognizes as accurate, rather than a strawman - and then explain what they believe is mistaken about it. If you're really right, you shouldn't have to strawman your opponent's position in order to show that you're right.

> You'd know because they can explain the other side's position in terms that the other side recognizes as accurate,

If one side does that, by the public they will be perceived to be talking the points of the other side, again losing out.

The whole point of politics, religion and marketing is to keep talking until the other side gives up. The biggest loudest mouth wins. Not the most understanding one.

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