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Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by arbitrage »

pexaizix wrote: post #181
calibas wrote: post #170

This should bother people here more than it does. The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google. They've made it quite clear through their actions that they're not supporters of a free and open Internet: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/14/google-china-prototype-l... If people don't push back against these kinds of things, Google will continue to abuse their power. There shouldn't be an army o…

It doesn't bother me because it's a Chromecast, an appliance I don't want or need. If I needed something similar, I could get it from other manufacturers.

First they came for the appliances I don't want or need, because I don't use appliances I don't want or need.

This has been discussed to death. Slippery slope, etc., etc.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by linuxftw »

reaperducer wrote: post #188
calibas wrote: post #170

This should bother people here more than it does. The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google. They've made it quite clear through their actions that they're not supporters of a free and open Internet: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/14/google-china-prototype-l... If people don't push back against these kinds of things, Google will continue to abuse their power. There shouldn't be an army o…

The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google Watching Big G's actions over the last few years, I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet. People talk about China and Russia's actions balkanizing the internet. But I have a sense that Google could do it, as well, and bring us back to the days when people didn't know the difference between the real internet and A…

We're already there. Younger generation knows little about the web, but they all participate in the walled-garden-net via their app store.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by darpa_escapee »

linuxftw wrote: post #192
reaperducer wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google Watching Big G's actions over the last few years, I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet. People talk about China and Russia's actions balkanizing the internet. But I have a sense that Google could do it, as well, and bring us back to the days when people didn't know the difference between the real internet and A…

We're already there. Younger generation knows little about the web, but they all participate in the walled-garden-net via their app store.

Yep. In many places in the world, the internet is Facebook/WhatsApp/YouTube and whatever portal each of your apps allows you to peer into.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by matz1 »

jackfraser wrote: post #174
matz1 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me its a reasonable trade off, the probability the google DNS server goes down is low and the amount of people who purposely block google dns is also low.

Sure, but don't we reserve the right to run our own split-horizon DNS servers and point fqdn's our devices want to resolve to anything we desire? Don't like it? Use TLS and verify certificates.

Sure, if the product doesn't fit your need then either build your own chromecast or use different product. I personally do not want to build my own so I'm perfectly okay with the trade off.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by nabakin »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #185
unethical_ban wrote: post #139

Jared Mauch's response was pretty rude. I don't mind defaults, but I do not like the inability to change. I wonder if it was clearly documented as a device requirement that 8.8.8.8 was needed. All prerequisites of function should be in the Quick Start Guide of the tool in question. Furthermore, users aren't always in control of the firewall/ACL on their network. If I go to Jack's Organic Coffee for a meeting and they…

You must have lead a sheltered life if you think this is "pretty rude". Its blunt and to the point I will give you but really

You don't have to be sheltered to think it's rude. This feels like an attack, please stop.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by nickspacek »

jackfraser wrote: post #174
matz1 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me its a reasonable trade off, the probability the google DNS server goes down is low and the amount of people who purposely block google dns is also low.

Sure, but don't we reserve the right to run our own split-horizon DNS servers and point fqdn's our devices want to resolve to anything we desire? Don't like it? Use TLS and verify certificates.

I wonder why they aren't just using TLS and pinning certificates? I suppose they probably do, but furthermore want to ensure that they control the resolution of other services (e.g. Netflix) for the device.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by reaperducer »

eertami wrote: post #164
unethical_ban wrote: post #139

Jared Mauch's response was pretty rude. I don't mind defaults, but I do not like the inability to change. I wonder if it was clearly documented as a device requirement that 8.8.8.8 was needed. All prerequisites of function should be in the Quick Start Guide of the tool in question. Furthermore, users aren't always in control of the firewall/ACL on their network. If I go to Jack's Organic Coffee for a meeting and they…

Maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees but... what possible reason would you have for taking a Chromecast to a coffee shop?

People bring all kinds of crazy things to coffee shops. I saw someone set up a full-on painting kit, with a big palette, tubes of paint, and a full-sized easel.

I believe at one time TPUG members (https://www.tpug.ca) would bring their PETs to Starbucks for meetings. I know I've banged out work on a TRS-80 Model 100 at Coffee Bean.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by forgottenpass »

josteink wrote: post #93
adsadadsad wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But it's trivial, for your ADSL/DSL/Fiber shitty $30 router to intercept port 53/(udp|tcp) bind it to it's own local dnsmasq or whatever and then send DNS onward to DHCP DNS servers supplied by your ISP. When I say trivial I mean I've seen it happen on several setups, old me - we'll just change the DNS on this box to bust the cache here to 1.1.1.1(CF)/8.8.8.8(EvilG) but still end up a shitty ISP dns servers (a…

> bind it to it's own local dnsmasq or whatever and then send DNS onward to DHCP DNS servers supplied by your ISP... There's a reason for the push for DNS over HTTPS. This is looking at things and totally backwards. You have a local problem, a broken router and you suggest we fix this by changing how all edge nodes on the internet works. In the age of ever increasing, untrustworthy IOT-devices, you don’t solve this p…

>DNS over HTTPS is going to cause a shitload more problems than it solves.

Oh, absolutely. What I wonder is if people don't notice this, or they do but believe Google is right in pushing fundamental internet design decisions that prioritize Google's incidental access to surveillance data over a high quality and resilient network for everyone.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by darpa_escapee »

metalliqaz wrote: post #169
alias_neo wrote: post #129

It's not new, and but limited to Chromecast Ultra, I detected this from several Android devices (phones) pre-Pie and configured my firewall to redirect those requests to my own DNS. Regardless of their reason, many of us don't want to use Google DNS and the just using their control over these devices to force people to 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4. I haven't checked how Pie behaves yet but it provides an option in the UI to speci…

Google's business is built on web services, and we know for a fact that ISP occasionally try to inject bullshit into their customers browsing sessions via all kinds of dirty tricks. Their DNS is also designed to be faster than typical DNS. I wouldn't be surprised if Google sees this as a way to ensure the proper function of their devices.

This is an incredibly generous reading of the situation that, as far as I can tell, has no basis in reality. Google is circumventing how the internet works at pretty basic level by not respecting users' DNS preferences in favor of their own.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by nickspacek »

mrcarruthers wrote: post #183

My Roku does (almost) the same thing. It defaults to 8.8.8.8 to attempt to block dns proxies, but if you block 8.8.8.8 on your router, unlike the Chromecast, it will actually use the DNS server my router provides.

I believe that this approach also used to work with the Chromecast.
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