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Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by magduf »

polskibus wrote: post #166
ryandrake wrote: post #148

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At what workforce % does compounding interest stop working? Or are you saying interest rates will become negative as the workforce drops? Society’s experience replacing workers with robotics and automation may suggest otherwise. Now may be the best time to stop having kids and instead invest what you’d otherwise spend. Chances are there will be few remaining un-automated jobs by the time they need employment. I say t…

I'm saying that if today there is one caretaker for one retiree, but tomorrow there's one caretaker for 3 retirees then caretaker tomorrow can easily demand a lot higher pay than today - he'll work for the highest bidder. Compound interest gains can be offset by this inflation. Similar localized inflationary pressures can be seen in SV where there is limited supply of houses and there are many highly paid specialists…

If it gets to the point where I need a full-time caretaker, then it's time for me to check out, because I have no desire to live life that way.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jdbernard »

magduf wrote: post #99
bantunes wrote: post #91

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> Have you ever been around kids? They're really a pain in the ass, especially if they're boys. Suck it up. What, do you want having kids to be as seamless as an Uber Eats order? It's not. It's hard work. I'm sure your parents gave up on a lot to have you, too. That's part of being an adult.

>That's part of being an adult. As countless adults these days have proven, no, it's not. You can just opt out of the whole thing.

Yep. And if everyone does...

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jdbernard »

magduf wrote: post #190
telesilla wrote: post #160

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And those of you who aren't in prison, probably had better parenting right? (and some luck). Anyway, I don't mean to hijack this thread but if the parent is saying he doesn't want kids because they are unruly, he might look to the parenting of said kids. Kids can—and should!—be bringing joy and lightness and laughter and learning. It's a tragedy that the modern person avoids have children because of economic concerns…

Just about everyone I know who has little boys has major problems with them: they all seem to have autistic traits, and severe behavior problems. I don't know what the problem is, but it makes me not want to be involved with boys in a parenting situation.

> if the parent is saying he doesn't want kids because they are unruly, he might look to the parenting of said kids.

To me your experiences only emphasize this point. Large portions of our society have decided that masculinity is inherently toxic. We've also, generally speaking, de-emphasized the role of discipline in parenting (I'm not talking about spanking). Our school system has long been stacked against young boys. I think that, as a society, we've forgotten how to parent children, especially boys.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jdbernard »

dahfizz wrote: post #25
rficcaglia wrote: post #19

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navigate by stars and moon and position of the sun vs chronometers vs gps?

Yes, the practical skill of navigating by stars is not practiced by most people because we have better navigation methods. But the knowledge of how to navigate by stars was not erased by the invention of the gps. That's still part of humanity's body of knowledge.

Maybe, but if you're talking about recorded knowledge I'd argue we're still losing a bulk of it. Recorded knowledge fails to capture all the layers of depth that lived experience contains. Hopefully the recorded knowledge is enough to jump-start a new learner if no masters remain, but even that is not guaranteed.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

Optimal carrying capacity would be 1 billion.

We were half a billion in 1600s.

If everyone had 1/2 surviving child, we will start coming down in about 200 years. Would love it if someone smarter than me can do that mathematical projection?

We need everyone to have 1/2 child so we have genetic diversity.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

magduf wrote: post #190
telesilla wrote: post #160

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And those of you who aren't in prison, probably had better parenting right? (and some luck). Anyway, I don't mean to hijack this thread but if the parent is saying he doesn't want kids because they are unruly, he might look to the parenting of said kids. Kids can—and should!—be bringing joy and lightness and laughter and learning. It's a tragedy that the modern person avoids have children because of economic concerns…

Just about everyone I know who has little boys has major problems with them: they all seem to have autistic traits, and severe behavior problems. I don't know what the problem is, but it makes me not want to be involved with boys in a parenting situation.

Interesting you should mention that. I have a pet theory that it has something to do with the Y chromosome.

Do we know enough about the Y chromosome? I think being ‘male’ is a genetic mutation with some undesirable effects. The SRY gene turns on/off around 4-6 weeks after conception determining whether zygote would be XX or XY. This has something to do with gonad formation.

I think fundamentally everyone is formed female as default. Not female = male. Which means it’s the Y. Something is wrong with Y.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by quickthrower2 »

telesilla wrote: post #151
magduf wrote: post #87

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This doesn't fully explain why humans don't want to have a lot of kids. Have you ever been around kids? They're really a pain in the ass, especially if they're boys. (For instance, as a single guy, I'm far more likely to be interested in dating a single mother with girls than one with boys; little boys are just too destructive and disobedient.) Smart people aren't having so many kids now because they don't have to. I…

>little boys are just too destructive and disobedient Don't blame the boys - I've known equally pain-in-the-ass families of girls, and wonderful boys. It's the parents.

> It's the parents.

The parents' DNA, in particular.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

jdbernard wrote: post #193
magduf wrote: post #190

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Just about everyone I know who has little boys has major problems with them: they all seem to have autistic traits, and severe behavior problems. I don't know what the problem is, but it makes me not want to be involved with boys in a parenting situation.

> if the parent is saying he doesn't want kids because they are unruly, he might look to the parenting of said kids. To me your experiences only emphasize this point. Large portions of our society have decided that masculinity is inherently toxic. We've also, generally speaking, de-emphasized the role of discipline in parenting (I'm not talking about spanking). Our school system has long been stacked against young bo…

Define ‘masculinity’.

Children learn from other children. Usually older children. Children are largely being raised by the state and that is never a good thing as it leads to conformity. Educational institutions look at children as future workforce and not as individuals.

My 2c.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by magduf »

jdbernard wrote: post #193
magduf wrote: post #190

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Just about everyone I know who has little boys has major problems with them: they all seem to have autistic traits, and severe behavior problems. I don't know what the problem is, but it makes me not want to be involved with boys in a parenting situation.

> if the parent is saying he doesn't want kids because they are unruly, he might look to the parenting of said kids. To me your experiences only emphasize this point. Large portions of our society have decided that masculinity is inherently toxic. We've also, generally speaking, de-emphasized the role of discipline in parenting (I'm not talking about spanking). Our school system has long been stacked against young bo…

These allegations don't seem to be problems in other highly-developed nations.

Re: The world might run out of people

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Post by jdbernard »

magduf wrote: post #199
jdbernard wrote: post #193

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> if the parent is saying he doesn't want kids because they are unruly, he might look to the parenting of said kids. To me your experiences only emphasize this point. Large portions of our society have decided that masculinity is inherently toxic. We've also, generally speaking, de-emphasized the role of discipline in parenting (I'm not talking about spanking). Our school system has long been stacked against young bo…

These allegations don't seem to be problems in other highly-developed nations.

You're right. I don't think other nations have so watered down the importance of parenting as much as the US has. It's a real problem with American culture.
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