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Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by schwartzworld »

[deleted] wrote: post #187
SrslyJosh wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, we must present news from all sides: 1. The side that thinks that everyone should have human rights. 2. The side that thinks that only people who look, talk, pray, and fuck like they do should have human rights. 3. The side that wrings its hands and moans about civility/balance/decorum/etc. as though one side hasn't enthusiastically been building (and filling) concentration camps for immigrant children. 4. Billi…

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It's not hyperbole at all. If anything, it's too gentle of a take.

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Post by ardy42 »

api wrote: post #113
Novashi wrote: post #100

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It's better following individual journalists via twitter or whatever instead of the organization itself for quality content for subjects you like to read about. Personally, I use the main site just to scan headlines and see if there's anything interesting. Everyone's biased, but I don't think I'm more of an objective thinker than a trained journalist who's taken classes to study it and write about it specifically. I…

Maybe journalists should go out on their own via Patreon etc.?

> Maybe journalists should go out on their own via Patreon etc.?

The problem with that is that the person with the byline isn't the only one that matters. Editorial oversight is equally important. You need the guy who's enthusiastically digging into a story and the guy who keeps his enthusiasm in check. I don't think those can be the same person.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by mscasts »

Why would I pay for a media that humiliates me, writes biased articles and tells me that I am a bad person because my political views differ from theirs?

I am actually kind of glad that the media landscape is changing, because they way it has been has been terrifying. I'm not american, so I can't speak for new york times but the layoffs in the shit-media that was buzzfeed and others like it is just good news.

I'd rather see a world without a news media than with them being the only option. But I do pay, for alt-media.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by bshoemaker »

mscasts wrote: post #194

Why would I pay for a media that humiliates me, writes biased articles and tells me that I am a bad person because my political views differ from theirs? I am actually kind of glad that the media landscape is changing, because they way it has been has been terrifying. I'm not american, so I can't speak for new york times but the layoffs in the shit-media that was buzzfeed and others like it is just good news. I'd rat…

You do understand that the people laid off at Buzzfeed were not the people at the Buzzfeed media side of the house, they were actual reporters on the Buzzfeed news side?

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by sputr »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #184
dman wrote: post #131

I do pay for news, however one request I have for news providers is a greater emphasis on presenting news from all sides. Over the last 4-5 years most news providers have picked a political side (to a much greater extent than I recall in the past). This is true in both countries for which I follow news (India and the US). Given an event I can predict the coverage that venues will give it. This is troubling to me, and…

I would appreciate less emphasis on pretending to cover news from several angles. By doing so they imply that both sides are equally valid even when they're not. For instance I've seen them bring on a climate change denier to give the "other side" on a climate change story; anti vaxxers, et cetera. It's particularly bad when one side is willing to lie.

Including "the other side" on such issues is only a problem if you include them uncritically. But that requires a debate, not just airing of opinions as most news is nowadays. Censorship of ideas only makes them grow stronger. Look at antivax - what we needed was a complete and repeated dismantling of their ideas in the mass media BEFORE it became a problem so that people would been vaccinated (in this case with knowledge) against the well-sounding and emotionally compelling arguments of the antivax movement.

So, no, we don't need balanced news. But we need critically inclusive news.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by mscasts »

bshoemaker wrote: post #195
mscasts wrote: post #194

Why would I pay for a media that humiliates me, writes biased articles and tells me that I am a bad person because my political views differ from theirs? I am actually kind of glad that the media landscape is changing, because they way it has been has been terrifying. I'm not american, so I can't speak for new york times but the layoffs in the shit-media that was buzzfeed and others like it is just good news. I'd rat…

You do understand that the people laid off at Buzzfeed were not the people at the Buzzfeed media side of the house, they were actual reporters on the Buzzfeed news side?

Yes I do understand that. I don't really see any real difference between the two though.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by veddox »

dangerface wrote: post #193

News has always been funded with advertising the cost of the newspaper was just a nice bonus. I pay for it by giving you my eye balls. Journalists just got sloppy and started money grubbing is all.

Hm, I thought the claim that newspapers are funded by advertising was wrong, but apparently you're right after all - at least historically:

- https://www.nytimes.com/projects/2020-report/index.html

- https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_eve...

However, in the last few years, a switch to a greater subscription income has taken place (see first link above, also here: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/01/circulation-...).

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by kaolti »

I understand no one likes change, especially businesses. But complaining and trying blame and shame your audience because your business model is no longer viable is laughable. It is on THEM to figure what is next for journalism.

That's not to say their point is not perfectly valid about fake news, it is.

It's that the attitude of telling us it's our fault and we should change our ways is already a losing mindset.

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