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Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by edglas »

davewasthere wrote: post #29
Havoc wrote: post #3

wow that sounds pretty seriously broken. Has anybody else here actually used it & can comment?

I've helped a few clients migrate from whatever ad-hoc process they had to CI/CD with Azure Devops. Apart from one minor issue with a bug in node.js timing when running the build server on burstable VMs (which is probably more to do with AWS setup than node), I've not had any issues that I can think of. I don't have the problem with cache though, as I always run my own build servers/agents. The UI has changed a few t…

Thanks for the feedback @davewasthere. I'm an engineer on Azure DevOps. Our bitbucket support is built around web hooks, not polling. If you are seeing delays email me your azure devops org name and we can look into it. My email is my HN name at microsoft.com.

Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by edglas »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #146
thejosh wrote: post #23

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Azure Devops is something I want to love. The UI keeps changing, but doesn't fix underlying bugs that have been around for ages. Multiple issues where the builds don't actually update in the browser when they go through the steps (f5 only fixes), the builds show out of order in the UI, and many many other wonky things. Also releases aren't YAML yet. Builds are, and are a good feature. Azure Devops is almost perfect,…

YAML build definitions are not supported for GitHub Enterprise, which is mystifying to me seeing as how they are supported for GitHub. This is a critical missing feature for us and will leave us having to manually create huge JSON blobs for submission to the API.

@nathanaldensr, I'm an engineer on Azure DevOps. We rolled out support for YAML build with GitHub Enterprise this month.

Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by edglas »

kapilvt wrote: post #116

As a maintainer on an opensource project thats recently switched out to azure pipelines, I'm actually overall happy with azure pipelines, its considerably faster (hosted agent) for us in matrix builds then travis both on latency to start a build and actual compute power, and cheaper then self hosted drone. Hosted builds have been reliable for us, we notice a hiccup less than once a month on a single build (avg 20+ bu…

Thanks @kapilvt, I'm on the Azure DevOps engineering team. Are there specific improvements you'd like to see in the logs UX?

Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by bluepanda »

iofiiiiiiiii wrote: post #119
bluepanda wrote: post #26

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(Former Azure DevOps PM here) That's not quite true - did you hear that from someone? When I was there, I had pretty much full freedom to talk with customers, as long as they hadn't opted out of contact. Never had to talk to PR or have emails looked at. Sorry that you didn't hear back though :(

What does "opted out of contact" mean? I wonder if I am missing some communications because I unchecked some "don't send me spam" checkbox now!

I think there are likely a few places - i.e. the unsubscribe link (@Larrik), a button in the sign-up flow, and probably also somewhere in settings.

You should reach out to some PM's on Twitter! I know many are fairly active, and I'm sure would love suggestions or feedback.

Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by matthewisabel »

thejosh wrote: post #23
ethomson wrote: post #12

PM for Azure DevOps here. We've been investing heavily in our user experience and our CI/CD experience, so I'm sad to see that we've disappointed here. Some of these complaints I would agree with - in particularly, we're not (yet) caching build resources - though we're working on this now. But most of these complaints I was quite surprised to hear; not an experience I would want someone to have or what I see from the…

Azure Devops is something I want to love. The UI keeps changing, but doesn't fix underlying bugs that have been around for ages. Multiple issues where the builds don't actually update in the browser when they go through the steps (f5 only fixes), the builds show out of order in the UI, and many many other wonky things. Also releases aren't YAML yet. Builds are, and are a good feature. Azure Devops is almost perfect,…

@thejosh I'm a PM on Azure Pipelines and I'm interested to hear the builds UI ordering and other wonkiness feedback if you want to share. You can email me at my firstname.lastname at microsoft.com and we can do whatever works from there.

Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by matthewisabel »

windexh8er wrote: post #190
vijayma wrote: post #183

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I am from the engineering team in Azure Pipelines. We agree that the resource authorization experience needs improvement. We have been working on it. We would like to make sure that you can only include the reference to a resource (secure file, service connection, variable group, agent pool, etc) in your YAML file if you have permissions to access that resource. And, it becomes particularly hard to auto-validate this…

Thank you for the great explanation on changes you've made and will continue to make in this area! What is the best way to inform persons such as yourself about UX issues? Appreciate the thoughtful response.

I work on the UX side and you can email me at firstname.lastname @ microsoft.com (it's my username and in my profile).

Re: Microsoft’s Azure DevOps: An Unsatisfying Adventure

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Post by Annatar »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #164
Annatar wrote: post #163

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Are you saying that it's simply a case of resume inflation at employer's expense?

Sometimes yes. It's not just DevOps but CVops :-)

If I catch anyone at my company doing CVops, there will be hell to pay. Not at the company's expense and certainly not on my watch!
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