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Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by mabbo »

Pfhreak wrote: post #3

I left AWS after six years of working there wholly because of their restrictive policies about developing software in your spare time -- especially if you were thinking about working on a game. I recognize this article is about a product offering of AWS, and not their internal policies towards contributing to open source, but the two are linked in my mind and I'm not all surprised to see a headline like this.

The policies really used to be extreme. I'm still on the inside and I will say things have dramatically improved in the last couple years.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by hardly_a_mirage »

tyfon wrote: post #190
askmike wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are not advertising their replacement as MongoDB, either. I don't really agree there. The service is called documentDB and this is how they describe it [1]: > Amazon DocumentDB (with MongoDB compatibility) > Fast, scalable, highly available MongoDB-compatible database And the first 2 sentences: > Amazon DocumentDB (with MongoDB compatibility) is a fast, scalable, highly available, and fully managed document da…

Azure DocumentDb (now called CosmosDb) also has "MongoDB compatibility" i think so it's not unusual to advertise it as such.

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Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by Thaxll »

pritambaral wrote: post #79
threeseed wrote: post #60

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And yet many of us are using it in Production. Including companies like Adobe, eBay, Expedia, Sony etc.

The fact that some are okay with and would use an unreliable tool is not inconsistent with the fact that it is documented that the tool is unreliable. Popularity among users has little to do with the tool being reliable, and this particular one is already popular for being unreliable.

Let me guess you're a Postgress troll?

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Post by tialaramex »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #146
saagarjha wrote: post #109

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> You're only required to get pre-approval in case of conflicts of interest. Given the extremely diverse set of things that Microsoft works on, much of which is likely done without you being disclosed on it, how can you be sure that your project is not a conflict of interest?

By asking?

This. I have it in my contracts or a rider if they don't like amending the contract itself. I write code, when I stop working for you for the day I still write code. Yes it's lucky that I can get paid to do the main thing I enjoy, but you aren't paying me for the stuff I do off the clock. I will let you know about any major pieces of software I write (not like twenty line Python scripts for managing my music) and if you detect a conflict that's the moment to object, if you do then I'll work on something else, otherwise I own it outright and that's fair.

Good employers don't want to abuse you, and in turn don't want to get abused, drawing a line is something they can understand and their lawyers can get their heads around. "This is mine, this is yours".

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by tialaramex »

michaelt wrote: post #177
raxxorrax wrote: post #167

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Always judge a company by how they treat their lowest employees. And since people at Amazon having difficulties trying to find time to take a piss, it doesn't really qualify as an employer for me personally. I like their services in AWS-land and they have really good solutions. They probably treat their developers better as long as they can be exploited. But if there is another service with comparable features, I gen…

Always judge a company by how they treat their lowest employees. Seems like a policy that gives a big advantage to industries that aren't labour-intensive. Is Costco a worse company than Oracle, because the former has employees making $30,000 and the latter doesn't?

How much do you think Oracle's cleaners are paid?

The guy on the door at the HQ building?

I'm sure that you can argue oh, those people are actually working for a contractor, but let's agree for a moment that this is purely a matter of paperwork, those are Oracle cleaners, that guy is on the door of Oracle's HQ building.

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Post by djhworld »

int_19h wrote: post #29

Amazon was using MongoDB without paying for it. MongoDB found that objectionable, and changed the license such that Amazon would either have to pay, or stop using it. Amazon stopped using it, and started using its own in-house implementation instead (presumably because it was cheaper to develop it than to pay MongoDB). So, MongoDB got exactly what they asked for. It's just that, when they forced Amazon to make a choi…

> Amazon stopped using it, and started using its own in-house implementation instead (presumably because it was cheaper to develop it than to pay MongoDB).

I suspect the drive for DocumentDB was more because customers were asking them for it

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Post by [deleted] »

sah2ed wrote: post #180
pferde wrote: post #154

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That's... wow. Are you saying that the employers could (or even should) demand that employees do nothing else during their free time except rest, so that they are well rested for their on-the-clock time? No late night TV for you, no early morning pool swimming session, and don't even think about taking up that physically demanding hobby, because we need you 100% focused on the job!

No. I specifically said remaining hours . To recap: - 8hrs for work; - 8hrs for leisure (daily commute, family time, hobbies etc); - 8hrs for sleep. Once you take out work time & leisure time all you have left is sleep time. Sleep is unique because it is an exclusive human activity — it can’t be combined with other activities. If someone decides to misallocate rest time, then s/he will become sleep deprived leading t…

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Post by michaelt »

Sahhaese wrote: post #179
michaelt wrote: post #177

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Always judge a company by how they treat their lowest employees. Seems like a policy that gives a big advantage to industries that aren't labour-intensive. Is Costco a worse company than Oracle, because the former has employees making $30,000 and the latter doesn't?

How you treat employees isn't the same thing as salaries. There are environments where people earning $20,000 are still treated with respect and there are environments where people earning $200,000 are treated badly.

Depends what you mean by 'treated with respect'.

Every job I've had, people have been polite and friendly to me. No bullying or harassment or anything like that.

But the low-paid jobs would carefully police our working hours and sick leave, while taking a toll on our bodies and demanding measurable daily performance. Whereas the highly-paid jobs would trust me to work my contract hours, take my word if I said I was sick, didn't expect me to lift anything heavier than a laptop, and barely audited how hard I was working at all.

If you think it's prima facie disrespectful to require a doctor's note for sick leave, my poorly paid jobs have been less respectful than my highly paid jobs.

Re: AWS gives open source the middle finger?

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Post by flafla2 »

askmike wrote: post #159
int_19h wrote: post #29

Amazon was using MongoDB without paying for it. MongoDB found that objectionable, and changed the license such that Amazon would either have to pay, or stop using it. Amazon stopped using it, and started using its own in-house implementation instead (presumably because it was cheaper to develop it than to pay MongoDB). So, MongoDB got exactly what they asked for. It's just that, when they forced Amazon to make a choi…

> They are not advertising their replacement as MongoDB, either. I don't really agree there. The service is called documentDB and this is how they describe it [1]: > Amazon DocumentDB (with MongoDB compatibility) > Fast, scalable, highly available MongoDB-compatible database And the first 2 sentences: > Amazon DocumentDB (with MongoDB compatibility) is a fast, scalable, highly available, and fully managed document da…

How else should they word it? MongoDB compatibility is the primary feature, of course they would highlight it in marketing.
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