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Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by closeparen »

pcurve wrote: post #4

The article mentions of days when you were anonymous, getting to know strangers through common interests and exchanging ideas. I do miss those early days. For me, social network stopped being social as soon as reasonable assurance of anonymity when out the window once companies started pressuring people use their real identity, and that became the norm.

This is not a temporal change, it is a venue change. Systems like Facebook and systems like HN may both be called "social networking" but they facilitate totally different kinds of communities. Each has its place.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by pretendscholar »

jsemrau wrote: post #143
osrec wrote: post #35

Facebook described in 50 years: a network where real world relationships were gamified and users competed for popularity. The network eventually died because the relationships it represented became meaningless in the eyes of its users, and the perceived value of the "game" fell to virtually zero.

Facebook in 50 years : People wanted World of Warcraft but got Star Wars Galaxies instead.

Star Wars Galaxies was great dammit

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by Khaine »

Terr_ wrote: post #161
dleslie wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem to me that 4chan has failed. https://www.rank2traffic.com/4chan.org

Failed at discourse != Failed at traffic

The chans have a disproportionate impact on current online communication. The memetic use of macro images large stems from chans. As well as the propensity for trolling has been massively driven by chans

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by tendel »

sanoojm wrote: post #173

These are expected when people run behind instant gratification instead of creative happiness. For me, it's like chain smoking, everyone says to quitting smoking, you know it's not making any good for you, you know it's you paying cigar industry to make yourself sick. Still you can't give up. But once you give up, you will start seeing the world differently. I Uninstalled Facebook and insta from my cellphone. I am co…

Nice analogy.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by spaniard89277 »

rrebelo wrote: post #53
iagovar wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm, this is an interesting take. I may apply it to one of my communities. I've been playing with the idea of banning politics entirely, but that's what most people want to talk about. Did you notice any improvement on the level of discussion? Or do they just reacted different with each other posts? Also, do you just censor the keyword or remove the post entirely?

Beware: the devil is in the details. The trick is to choose the most provocative, trolling or insulting words. I let people discuss generic terms such as income distribution, fiscal crisis, education, etc. But I filter out terms such as "comunist", "fascist", "Bolsonaro" (the Brazilian version of Rodrigo Duterte) etc. > Did you notice any improvement on the level of discussion? So far, people are still on a "treading…

Thank you, i may use your approach.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by imhelpingu »

Larrikin wrote: post #168
antt wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan has better discussions that reddit and hackernews put together. The point is that they aren't stored anywhere and disappeared once they were finished. Over here I've been told that I can't have more than one account to post things I don't want associated with me in public. Give that I have a more than even chance I will work in some regime that takes offense to many things I might say, e.g. that I theoretically…

4chan only has better discussion when you are absolutely new to a topic, since the userbase tends to be on the younger side and they are happy to reshare the information they just learned. The basics are constantly presented over and over again. But people with real knowledge eventually grow tired of sharing that information with a userbase that is happy to discuss which programming language has the best Hello World,…

Reddit and hn are both full of pseudo-intellectuals masticating on something some (frequently illegitimate) authority says. Meanwhile, skepticism or different perspective is frequently washed out by a bunch of tools who have effectively been trained to propagate a facile "consensus" as dictated by popular media.

So I'll go ahead and do my simple maintenance routine that can be communicated in a 5 x 4 table while redditors read high school tier essays about how calorie io is a flawed paradigm and long-term weight loss isn't possible.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by thatoneuser »

evrydayhustling wrote: post #5

I love this take. When we can get past the breathless danger of social networks (which, to some, spells "opportunity"), we can treat their failure modes for what they are: systems acting as boorish neighbors. The most scalable defenses against exploitation of social networks will be distributed cultural notions of etiquette, self determination and even hygiene - not instantly-out-of-date regulation or even technologi…

Your last paragraph very well expresses the reality of (I’d say) social media - it’s mostly people talking in circles around propaganda someone else has created for profit. How will it look in 50 years if your grandhchild sees you arguing till you’re blue in the face and alienating half of your personal community because of some factoid that isn’t even accurate?

We’re going to look like primitive ape-men. I guess it’s similar to how we look back at drunk driving in 1500 pound steel death traps. Or oppressing blacks simply for being black. But then again those grandkids will probably in turn look dumb for falling into the trap that virtual reality was a valid replacement for actually living your life.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by thatoneuser »

RileyJames wrote: post #118
wybiral wrote: post #18

I vote we return to the age of late Geocities, forums, and early blogs. Less conformity in design, less "social" by modern definition, but more people who just liked one topic enough to build something about it and communities forming around them.

When I was in high school, this was MySpace. I remember all my friends learning HTML, or at least enough to copy and paste sufficiently, to build out their custom profiles. It was a constant process of landing on a friends profile, being amazed by some feature or design and then going back to work on your own. It also felt more like people’s profiles expressed through design, or music, or gifs, or other media, rather…

Only thing is I think MySpace was far too catered to youths. I really don’t imagine my parents customizing MySpace like they do Facebook. Facebook has evolved into an interface that can be ingested by pretty much anyone. No matter what you do, you’re not going to make html intuitive to everyone.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by thatoneuser »

clubm8 wrote: post #134
barbs wrote: post #128

Has anyone else noticed that Facebook notifications seem intentionally broken? So many times I've noticed that the number of new notifications go out of sync between FB on my desktop browser, mobile browser and messenger app. Even viewing the notifications on the desktop and navigating somewhere else seems to make some notifications new again. Anything to make that red dot appear again to get you clicking and engaged…

I've noticed a larger trend where notifications used to be notifications of something a human sent, but now it means "$SOCIALNETWORK wants your attention" For example if I don't tweet for a few days Twitter will give me a "notification" that several high follower count accounts I follow have tweeted. That's not a "notification". I'm well aware frequent posters post frequently.

Totally. I wasn’t on Facebook for the last month or two. Get on and I had around 75 notifications. Literally 3 of them were non repeats or something that I was interested in receiving from someone. But it’s cool - it reminds me how pointless Facebook really is.

Re: Social networks are no longer social

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Post by propogandist »

tivert wrote: post #185
gaius wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the same one that's responsible for the economic collapse. Credit ratings of individuals (Equifax) are unrelated to credit ratings provided by companies such as Moody's for corporate and government bonds.

> the same one that's responsible for the economic collapse. > Credit ratings of individuals (Equifax) are unrelated to credit ratings provided by companies such as Moody's for corporate and government bonds. It depends on how you look at it. They'll all part of the larger financial/banking industry.

my point exactly
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