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Re: Glitter bomb tricks parcel thieves

#191
post #99

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Noone said anything about sympathy. And lack of sympathy is irrelevant to legal liability.

Ok, let me spell it out: that the law protects criminals and punishes innocent citizens in such cases is indicative of a problem with the law. And yes, defending your property from theft is categorically "innocent".

Proportionality is a thing. I think spraying someone with glitter is fine. Shooting someone in the back would not be innocent.

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#192

What are people's thoughts on if this is staged? Considering the views / subscriptions are the main motivation here, it might justify the expenses poured into this project – that is, it would be quite a waste if all that effort went into the build just to have no one actually take it off the porch. If actors were used, it would explain the lack of police involvement (it's easy to say, "police weren't interested" ). A…

> Considering the views / subscriptions are the main motivation here

Where is that stated?

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#193

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Mark reportedly lives in California, a two-party state. Wouldn’t he be running afoul of wiretapping laws, regardless if he’s recording criminals?

Sure, but do you really think the criminals will present him with a lawsuit... when they literally stole from him?

Dumber lawsuits than that have won.

Re: Glitter bomb tricks parcel thieves

#194
post #74

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Generally because people don't want it. Shipping used to be a lot stricter about signatures, etc, but people usually aren't home when the packages get delivered, and package theft isn't a significant enough problem to make the extra security worth the inconvenience.

> package theft isn't a significant enough problem This guy had his package stolen many times in a short space of time. Seems like the problem is pretty bad?

A park ranger named Roy Sullivan was struck by lightning six times in eight years. Clearly this is a major problem!

Roughly one third of Americans have ever had a package stolen. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/11/20/package-...) It’s not that big a deal. For people who want to avoid taking chances with it, there are various options to avoid it. Not that they should have to, but there are many bigger problems to worry about.

Re: Glitter bomb tricks parcel thieves

#195

What are people's thoughts on if this is staged? Considering the views / subscriptions are the main motivation here, it might justify the expenses poured into this project – that is, it would be quite a waste if all that effort went into the build just to have no one actually take it off the porch. If actors were used, it would explain the lack of police involvement (it's easy to say, "police weren't interested" ). A…

Mark reportedly lives in California, a two-party state. Wouldn’t he be running afoul of wiretapping laws, regardless if he’s recording criminals?

This all happened in a suburb of Chicago

Re: Glitter bomb tricks parcel thieves

#196
post #136

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>Too many things could have gone wrong here, but they did not. The design is subpar in my opinion, for somebody who worked on a Mars rover. Custom printed board plus a bunch of smartphones, seriously? What would you propose? The best design is often the easiest/cheapest one, and this looks like pretty simple.

Those are very much not cheapest unless he had them lying around. There are ready made cheap boards with identical functionality to a cellphone, few dollars a pop. And yes, they run Android. That said, this way he can claim it had something valuable inside in case it is still taken.

> made cheap boards with identical functionality to a cellphone, few dollars a pop. And yes, they run Android.

With a camera, battery and 3G modem? Got any links?

Re: Glitter bomb tricks parcel thieves

#197

What are people's thoughts on if this is staged? Considering the views / subscriptions are the main motivation here, it might justify the expenses poured into this project – that is, it would be quite a waste if all that effort went into the build just to have no one actually take it off the porch. If actors were used, it would explain the lack of police involvement (it's easy to say, "police weren't interested" ). A…

Mark reportedly lives in California, a two-party state. Wouldn’t he be running afoul of wiretapping laws, regardless if he’s recording criminals?

How does Amazon and Google get away with it? When you put their listening devices in your home, do you sign a legally binding contract? Honest question, I've never bought one.

If a contract is sufficient, does it have to be signed in writing or witnessed? If not, then could he have a sign at his door stating that acquiring the package provides consent to monitoring?

Is there a lawyer here that could answer those questions, pro bono?

[Edit] Maybe it would be sufficient to put wording on the box that basically says, "by touching or taking this packages.... yada yada..."

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#198

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While all we can do to revenge is sometimes a fantasy, I'd say be rational when you turn your fantasies to reality, you might end up paying the hospitalization for the package thieves.

I know "theft traps" are not legal (even ultimately harmless ones, like the paintball idea mentioned above), but for some reason it feels bizarrely backwards (or ironic?) that a proportionately harmless response to a thief (caught in the act) would be more likely to see prosecution than the act of theft itself.

First, you're unlikely to be prosecuted for setting a trap for a thief. Your liability is almost certainly civil, not criminal. Second, have you found many cases where a thief sued their victim without themselves facing charges for the theft?

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#199
post #101

What are people's thoughts on if this is staged? Considering the views / subscriptions are the main motivation here, it might justify the expenses poured into this project – that is, it would be quite a waste if all that effort went into the build just to have no one actually take it off the porch. If actors were used, it would explain the lack of police involvement (it's easy to say, "police weren't interested" ). A…

I've had the same thought when I first saw it. Some suspicious things: thieves talking to themselves, that lady throwing the box into her own garbage bin, zero attempt at disassembly or closer inspection of the box, no police involved. Also GPS is just not that good for locating anything of that size in given circumstances, and it would not have worked in the parking garage. Too many things could have gone wrong here…

> and it would not have worked in the parking garage

What if the phones picked up WiFi networks around the garage?

Re: Glitter bomb tricks parcel thieves

#200
post #160

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Watch the video. The phones are hidden, and the fart spray is designed to make the thief get rid of the package as quickly as possible rather than taking it apart to see what might be inside.

Even so, wouldn't it be better to use 4 cheap cameras instead of 4 expensive smartphones?

Probably not. Likely these were second-hand phones, so not terribly expensive. Also because they are phones, they can upload "to the cloud" automatically, have GPS and cell tower triangulation for accurate location reporting.
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