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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by codinger »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Wait, I haven't heard of these recent stability issues with Windows 10 or experienced them myself. Do you have a link about it?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by WalterGR »

lwansbrough wrote: post #45

Stupid. Open source Edge and see where that gets us before you blow up the only chance we have of maintaining an open web standard.

2008. “Fuck you, Microsoft, for not bundling Firefox or Chrome.”

2018. “Fuck you, Microsoft, for bundling Firefox or Chrome.”

Hilarious.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by WalterGR »

kgwxd wrote: post #118

If they had made it open source, cross-platform (like vs code), with sane telemetry options (unlike vs code) I would have gave it a go. I don't get why they though anything else had a chance in the current market.

What are VS Code’s insane telemetry options?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vatueil »

Karunamon wrote: post #172
kibwen wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've just illustrated the advantage of a polyculture: changes to the platform are not unilateral decisions, and therefore require discussion, communication, and documentation. Furthermore, if one actor tries to do something out of blatant self-interest that would be a detriment to the platform as a whole, that action can be blocked. With a Google monoculture, at the end of the day, the web will be whatever the CEO…

The difference being now that we're in no danger of IE6-ification. If Google annoys enough people, people can take Webkit and do whatever they want. It happened to Microsoft, arguably to Mozilla, it can happen to Google. So long as the players are well behaved, having a single dominant browser is beneficial. How much time, energy, productivity, and money has been lost on cross-browser (in)compatibility wrangling?

> If Google annoys enough people, people can take Webkit and do whatever they want.

Not sure if that should have been Blink, or if you're making a subtle point about how Blink was forked from WebKit (which was in turn forked from KHTML).

Personally, while I can see why some may react to this news with concern about a monoculture, I find it hard to feel sorry about the end of the last significant closed source browser engine.

If Microsoft gives up IE and Edge then all the major browsers will have an open source foundation. With Gecko, WebKit, and Blink there remains a healthy range of options, too.

And as the history of KHTML/WebKit/Blink demonstrates, derivatives will appear if there's enough interest. Perhaps someday Microsoft will follow the examples Apple and Google have set by creating their own fork, if the circumstances warrant it.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by jhare »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Why do we devs get the blame for avoiding their crap browser all that has burned us over and over? Repeatedly. For years. Hours and hours of frustration on this front.

Encouraging the best-working alternative is the creation of monoculture?

C'mon

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Osiris »

jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

It's interesting, I don't see this argument made against other open source projects that are dominant, such as the Linux kernel.

I rarely see people saying that there need to be competing kernel projects with completely separate code bases but all trying to conform to the same ABI, etc.

(Yes, I know there are other kernels out there, but my point is that people don't complain that Linux is so dominant like they do about Chromium vs Firefox)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by happymellon »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux?

A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by NolF »

codinger wrote: post #191
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Wait, I haven't heard of these recent stability issues with Windows 10 or experienced them myself. Do you have a link about it?

Maybe OP is mainly referring to the recent update issues where entire folders have been delated as part of the "forced" updates.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by WalterGR »

Thann wrote: post #130

how the meeting went: "its really expensive to build a decent browser and a spyware engine for it... hmmmm"

How does Edge’s telemetry compare to Chrome’s?

Have there been any problems with Edge similar to Chrome’s suddenly logging people into the browser?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by Solar19 »

This reminds me that I think there's a real market opportunity for a clean-sheet proprietary browser. Everyone just assumes open source (except for Safari and Edge until now).

I think it's possible to build a significantly better browser than Chrome or anything else out there. And I think at least a few million people would pay more than $100 for it (there are 326 million people in the US alone). This would be a good time to do it.

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