I'm looking forward to the day I don't have to charge a non-profit doing good in this world $99 a year just to keep their app on the app store. Apple devices should have the equivalent of F-Droid for FLOSS goodies, and that's exactly the conclusion the courts should decide on IMO. This of course will make Apple devices less secure. But then again the current state of affairs is arguably worse given the lack of competition.
U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute
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That's the point. Currently nobody can build that because Apple doesn't allow it. And where does this Sandbox wrapper for third party app stores exist for the Android ecosystem where it is both allowed and their are five time more devices? Many eyes" results in fewer bugs over time, not zero bugs instantaneously. It doesn't have to be perfect to be better. Have any statistics to back that up? Is Android more secure o…
> And where does this Sandbox wrapper for third party app stores exist for the Android ecosystem where it is both allowed and their are five time more devices? https://seap.samsung.com/sdk/knox-standard-android https://yajin.org/papers/asiaccs15_appcage.pdf > Have any statistics to back that up? Is Android more secure or less buggy than iOS? Obvious confounder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)…
So your solution to a sandbox app is to buy a Samsung device and use a corporate MDM product to manage that one device?
But what metric would you use anyway? Number of discovered bugs doesn't work because the whole premise is that a higher percentage of the bugs will be found. It's inherently difficult to measure. But refute the logic: Bugs found by vendor + everyone else > Bugs found by vendor alone.
Google and third parties have been finding bugs in other people’s closed source products for decades. Again just because people can look at code doesn’t mean that people are looking at code.
You made the claim that there are less bugs in open source software, without any citations, studies, etc.
Android and Darwin are open source but a large part of both iOS and Android are closed source.
Re: U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute
#193Unfortunately for Apple, I do think the App Store being an exclusive and default way to purchase and load apps on iOS is in fact causing prices of Apps, in many cases, to be higher than they should be. The perfect example of this is the subscription services, right now you can get a cheaper subscription to a service such as Spotify if you buy it off the App Store. That is a prime example of how much the 30% payment t…
Developers love Apple because there is no piracy or competition from F-droid. Also the Apple clientele are proven to be bigger spenders.
I love the Android community because they come up with cool things like DNS66 or YouTube Vanced. Ad blocking on iOS is halfhearted.
All that said Apple can do what they want consumers have a choice: buy an Android phone.
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I suspect Spotify would prefer to have their app on iOS without using Apple's distribution channel if they could.
Only because they could then do direct sign-up and billing without having to pay anyone a cut.
One of the most powerful things the internet has done for us: cut out the middlemen. Even Amazon is not safe, I foresee a future where people will order directly from the factory.
Re: U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute
#195Unfortunately for Apple, I do think the App Store being an exclusive and default way to purchase and load apps on iOS is in fact causing prices of Apps, in many cases, to be higher than they should be. The perfect example of this is the subscription services, right now you can get a cheaper subscription to a service such as Spotify if you buy it off the App Store. That is a prime example of how much the 30% payment t…
Developers love Apple because there is no piracy or competition from F-droid. Also the Apple clientele are proven to be bigger spenders. I love the Android community because they come up with cool things like DNS66 or YouTube Vanced. Ad blocking on iOS is halfhearted. All that said Apple can do what they want consumers have a choice: buy an Android phone.
Is piracy really an issue on Android? I've never pirated an Android app in the 10 years or so I've been using Android, and I don't know anyone who was.
Would love to see some unbiased numbers on this.
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How long have you been using the iOS app store for? IMO App prices now are lower than they were when the app store first opened in iPhoneOS 2, and way lower than they were before the iPhone. I remember simple games for Palm OS costing at about $20 [0] . Nowadays that game would either be [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20040418012411/http://astraware....
Price of "Angry Birds" in 2009: $0.99 one-time Price of the same "Angry Birds" in 2018: $0 to install, $1.99 per 80 gems, no way to disable in-app ads or purchases. Free-to-play is an increase in price.
I really despise the move from transparent, one-time pricing, to opaque IAP.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Price of "Angry Birds" in 2009: $0.99 one-time Price of the same "Angry Birds" in 2018: $0 to install, $1.99 per 80 gems, no way to disable in-app ads or purchases. Free-to-play is an increase in price.
Even if it is an increase in price (debatable), that doesn't mean that Apple's distribution monopoly is responsible. I expect that prices on Android have done the same thing, and Google doesn't even monopolize the distribution there.
The exact same thing has happened in the AAA games market (see EA, Activision, or Jim Sterling's many videos on the topic) which is provably nothing to do with "Apple's distribution monopoly".
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4 wrongs don't make right. Nintendo, Sony, and MS should also not be allowed to have monopolies on their stores.
And now we are redefining “monopoly”. This has been going on for 30 years. The console manufacturers have had lock out chips on their cartridges, specially made disk, etc forever.
Not forever. This all started with the death of Atari, which was commonly blamed on poor-quality 3rd-party games ruining their reputation with consumers.
I haven't looked into the history enough to judge whether this perception is accurate in hindsight. Like most things, I expect it's a lot messier than the popular narrative.
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- Payment processing, yes (though no other payment processor charges anywhere near 30% -- Stripe is 2.9%, I think?). - Build, not exactly -- only in the sense that they can handle minor upgrades via bitcode for new ARM variants, if you choose to enable that. - Moderate/curate, sure. - Provide a lucrative channel? Yes, but only because they've made it the only channel by fiat. I'm not sure I see 30% worth of mandatory…
Storage/hosting, support and distribution (bandwidth) are missing frim the list. Arguably, it may not cover 30%, but it does provide for more than 2.9%
Spotify/Kindle/etc subscriptions and purchases are not hosted or distributed by Apple.
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This argument will easily hold if there were any way to have a competing store on iOS devices. Apple banning any competition in that field makes ‘buy they provide value for the money’ look like forcing consumers hand. Not sure if I want to have a second AppStore (APNS, etc, etc.)
No. The argument holds irrespective of whether there is 1 store or a million stores. Spotify wants to use Apple's distribution channel without paying for it. That's unfair and doesn't reflect what happens in the real world. If I sell my software through a retail store they still take a cut.
Spotify is not using Apple distribution channel