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SpaceX just got FCC approval to launch 7,518 satellites

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Re: SpaceX just got FCC approval to launch 7,518 satellites

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Anybody who sees a ceo who plans to spend a large chunk of company profits on colonizing mars for the sake of humanity might think to themselves, "I wonder if I can start a similar company, avoid the mars colonization expenses and undercut them on price."

You misunderstand just slightly, and through no fault of your own I might add since SpaceX’s messaging is deliberately murky here. SpaceX has no plans right now to colonize Mars. In fact, they keep saying, “Look! We want other companies or nations to step up and plan for how to establish a colony. We’re only going to do it if we absolutely have no other choice.” SpaceX is truly establishing a financially viable solar…

I agree SpaceX is way ahead, but I wouldn't say they have no competition. Blue Origin is making some very interesting moves.

Re: SpaceX just got FCC approval to launch 7,518 satellites

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You misunderstand just slightly, and through no fault of your own I might add since SpaceX’s messaging is deliberately murky here. SpaceX has no plans right now to colonize Mars. In fact, they keep saying, “Look! We want other companies or nations to step up and plan for how to establish a colony. We’re only going to do it if we absolutely have no other choice.” SpaceX is truly establishing a financially viable solar…

I agree SpaceX is way ahead, but I wouldn't say they have no competition. Blue Origin is making some very interesting moves.

Blue Origin was Founded in 2000 two years before SpaceX and they still have yet to reach LEO. That’s a really bad sign of actual progress. They are optomisic they might be able to launch four years from now assuming schedules don’t slip. But 6+ years from now is more likely.

Re: SpaceX just got FCC approval to launch 7,518 satellites

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Traditional satellite internet uses satellites in geostationary orbits, or 35,786km high above the equator. This is great because satellites in that orbit are stationary relative to the ground, so you just need a parabolic antenna pointed at a specific point in the sky to get great reception. But it's also terrible for latency because the signal takes 120ms just to get up, and another 120ms to get down. Assuming you…

SpaceX released a video about a week ago estimating that SF-London times were be around 60 ms, IIRC.

That sounds like a realistic number, considering the measured latency for the test satellites they launched earlier this year:

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/8mccic/musk_tintin_...

Re: SpaceX just got FCC approval to launch 7,518 satellites

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You misunderstand just slightly, and through no fault of your own I might add since SpaceX’s messaging is deliberately murky here. SpaceX has no plans right now to colonize Mars. In fact, they keep saying, “Look! We want other companies or nations to step up and plan for how to establish a colony. We’re only going to do it if we absolutely have no other choice.” SpaceX is truly establishing a financially viable solar…

I agree SpaceX is way ahead, but I wouldn't say they have no competition. Blue Origin is making some very interesting moves.

Interesting, yes; however in tech, products, partnerships, experience or any other quantifiable measure, Blue Origin is far, far behind SpaceX.

SpaceX has launched many Orbital missions.

Blue Origin has launched none.

SpaceX has two functional, tested, orbital spacecraft in production.

Blue Origin has a sub-orbital pod with goldfishbowl windows that's not quite ready yet.

SpaceX has successfully partnered with NASA for commercial cargo missions to the ISS.

Blue Origin has not.

SpaceX has landed more than a dozen rockets post-flight.

Blue Origin has landed SpaceX has designs for rockets and spacecraft that might plausibly target inter-planetary travel.

Blue Origin has not gotten to orbit yet.

Don't get me wrong; I want Blue Origin to succeed. However, the slope of their progress graph has been much shallower than SpaceXs. I don't see them ever catching or overtaking SpaceX unless something drastically unforseen happens.

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I'd expect the first and easy goal to be to sell high speed access to airline passengers.

I'd rather expect it to be first sold to high frequency traders. HFT firms have paid astronomical amounts to shave milliseconds off of their connection times.

Which is why I would expect them to already have better-latency options than going to space and back. Does anyone even bother setting up an HFT firm outside fiber range of a major exchange?

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At any one time there are usually <10k airplanes in the sky,and they still hit each other sometimes despite going 23x slower than satellites

The vast majority of those collisions occur in areas where planes are forced to congregate (around airports, etc).

Isn't there high traffic where polar intersect? See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision.

Re: SpaceX just got FCC approval to launch 7,518 satellites

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Curious how this will pan out. It's a shocking contrast to be in or near a city and have broadband speeds, and then be just a few dozen miles outside one and have... literally nothing. I just loaned my Iridium phone to a friend who was going to the jungle, and although he was able to make the data connection work, even doing email at 2400 baud(!) proved useless. Inmarsat is faster, but vastly more expensive. Outside…

Starlink could be a godsent for online gamers. Anything under 100 ms for fps games is quite playable and you don't need much bandwidth for those udp packets. Just guarantee some minimum bandwidth allotment of say 1 mbps and make sure the satellites are not so oversubscribed as to cause unnecessarily long or unoptimized routing. Games between west coast usa and eu or eu and asia would be playable.

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Why. China can just force SpaceX to turn off over China. Unless this is part of a political 'Radio Free Europe' style operation China will control this as much as everything else.

Why. China can just force SpaceX to turn off over China. How? By shooting down satellites?

Regulation. Do you think SpaceX would operate an illigal network in a foreign company? Do you not think China had the pull to tell the US to keep SpaceX in line?

The can ban the sale of terminals. They can scan waves.

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You can build GPS (well, a GNSS would be more accurate) system without atomic clocks. One way to do so requires user equipment that can transmit back to the satellites, but that will already be the case for SpaceX's customers. You can also use Doppler measurements to get your location, although this tends to be less accurate, especially if you're moving quickly

You can also use Doppler measurements to get your location, although this tends to be less accurate, especially if you're moving quickly There would still be a market for lower cost lower resolution location.

I wonder if the resolution would be better than cellular and/or wifi triangulation. Obviously those won't work in remote areas..

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I agree SpaceX is way ahead, but I wouldn't say they have no competition. Blue Origin is making some very interesting moves.

Interesting, yes; however in tech, products, partnerships, experience or any other quantifiable measure, Blue Origin is far, far behind SpaceX. SpaceX has launched many Orbital missions. Blue Origin has launched none. SpaceX has two functional, tested, orbital spacecraft in production. Blue Origin has a sub-orbital pod with goldfishbowl windows that's not quite ready yet. SpaceX has successfully partnered with NASA f…

SpaceX has landed more than a dozen rockets post-flight. - Its 20 (5 failed)
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