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Post by scarface74 »

int_19h wrote: post #188
scarface74 wrote: post #147

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It’s only a “problem” for a relatively few techies. Most people would be better served by a wall gardened. Seeing the mess that the average consumer makes on thier Windows computers is evidence. My mom would never have to worry about getting malware because she searched for a printer driver if she had an iPad. Heck, she wouldn’t have had to worry about a printer driver at all. And if you want to see what happens on m…

A walled garden with a discreet gate that one needs to know how to open would still serve the non-techie crowd perfectly well, without compromising freedom for the rest.

How well did that work with Windows UAC?

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by ilikehurdles »

mattkevan wrote: post #124
Dotnaught wrote: post #117

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Your argument misrepresents the metaphor. It's the wall that's the barrier to freedom, not what goes on within.

Freedom without boundaries and trust isn’t freedom but anarchy. A game is only a game if all the players have a shared set of rules and can trust each other to stay within them. As soon as someone breaks the rules the game is over, and the freedom provided is lost.

Both of these points are wrong.

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by admax88q »

elliekelly wrote: post #158
gnicholas wrote: post #144

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This begs the question of why the fair use doctrine is required at all. It isn't needed for a web browser; why would it be needed for a pared-down web browser? Is it needed for a text-only web browser? None of these is addressed by your original comment or the link, which all presuppose that the fair use doctrine is the only way to escape copyright problems associated with loading a webview with someone else's conten…

Web browsers have an "implied license": https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Field_v._Google,_Inc . and (I believe, but don't quote me on this) the law was amended shortly after this case to clarify the permissions/limit liability of web browsers & ISPs. A third-party application doesn't have the same permissions/protections. Copyright law doesn't always require the author's permission though. If you don't have permission…

The Field vs Google case is about the Google cache, not web browsers...

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by im3w1l »

sambeau wrote: post #97
pashabitz wrote: post #68

I think it's important to look at the broader issue: "App stores" are walled gardens, policed by corporations and are the opposite of freedom. The web is open and free. We made a deal with the devil when we collectively decided to write and use apps and not the web. This is just one symptom.

Developers only have themselves to blame. We allowed our technology to be used to spam, cheat and steal from our non-tech family and friends. We made tools that helped the bad-guys and did very little when our non-tech family and friends threw their hands up in confusion and cried for help. We sighed. We called them idiots and rolled our eyes. We now have to live with a bunch mostly sensible though occasionally over-…

Speak for yourself

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by im3w1l »

scarface74 wrote: post #172
sonnyblarney wrote: post #165

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I totally disagree and the evidence is Android. A) Android doesn't have some vast and ugly problem with malfeasance. B) It's entirely possible to educate customers that if they go outside of respected shops - they run the risk of problems. C) The 'Windows' analogy doesn't really hold because mobile OS APIs are totally locked down. Any app installed on Windows/Mac can effectively wipe out your machine. It's a huge ris…

A) Android doesn't have some vast and ugly problem with malfeasance. https://drfone.wondershare.com/android-tips/top-android-viru... It's entirely possible to educate customers that if they go outside of respected shops - they run the risk of problems. People have been saying the same thing about PCs since the 80s. How has that worked out? An android app has very limited API access, moreover, the user has to grant ex…

There are a few things, but porn games is probably the biggest.

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by int_19h »

scarface74 wrote: post #191
int_19h wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A walled garden with a discreet gate that one needs to know how to open would still serve the non-techie crowd perfectly well, without compromising freedom for the rest.

How well did that work with Windows UAC?

UAC is a bad example - it's more like a walled garden where the wall consists entirely of gates, and when you approach any, it asks you if you want to open that. Hardly discreet.

In any case, this was in the context of app stores. What I meant is the ability to go flip a switch that enables sideloading, as you can do with Android or Win10 Store apps, if you know that one exists - on the assumption that if you do, you also know the risks. On Win10 specifically, this is stashed away in the system settings page titled "For developers", which comes with a bunch of warnings, so it's not something you can turn on by accident.

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by salvar »

nambit wrote: post #176
salvar wrote: post #2

This seems weird enough to be an error of some kind. Not that Apple is likely to fix it, but enforcing this rule would exclude: - All Reddit apps - All HN apps - Twitter - Facebook - Google News - Any link or news aggregator I guess even a browser wouldn't fly, since it "displays full articles from multiple news sources."

? A lot of reddit and HN apps don't display the articles in app. Some of them open browser pages. I don't see how your "All ... apps" is quantified.

Fair enough. I'll amend it to "All Reddit, HN and Twitter apps I have ever seen"

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Post by rumori »

raydev wrote: post #162
rumori wrote: post #95

I've checked couple of popular apps on the App Store and here are my findings: - Twitter: uses SFSafariViewController - Reddit: uses custom in-app web view, shows page title and url on top, provides "open in Safari" option through share button - Instagram: uses custom in-app web view, shows page title and url on top, provides the built in share-sheet, interestingly disabling open in Safari, but enabling "Add to Readi…

Hi! I actually just submitted my 1.0 app to App Store Review and I was just rejected for using SFSafariViewController, over the same guideline as OP. Imagine my surprise when ASR sent me screenshots of my app using iOS APIs as designed. So not even SFSafariViewController is protection from committing copyright infringement, apparently. I also got the same workaround from ASR: make the links exit the app to Safari. Bu…

Sorry to hear about your troubles.

Please read vikasnair's answer [0] below. I think that is the best answer to get your app approved right now.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18444197

Re: My App Is Dead in the Water

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Post by scarface74 »

int_19h wrote: post #197
scarface74 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How well did that work with Windows UAC?

UAC is a bad example - it's more like a walled garden where the wall consists entirely of gates, and when you approach any, it asks you if you want to open that. Hardly discreet. In any case, this was in the context of app stores. What I meant is the ability to go flip a switch that enables sideloading, as you can do with Android or Win10 Store apps, if you know that one exists - on the assumption that if you do, you…

You just need that one person who thinks they are an “advanced user” to tell everyone else the secret trick and it spreads like a virus. About like all of the iOS users that aggressively quit apps because they think it increases battery life.

Or an app like Fortnite....

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