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Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by m3at »

kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

I experienced the same when attempting to show Forza Horizon to a friend, not having played it for a bit it required a 300Mb update before launching. I could not find what was updated.

Overall my experience on Microsoft store has been sub-par, eg comparing to steam.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by vbezhenar »

giobox wrote: post #149
vbezhenar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care? It works.

The idea that you can take the current state of modern desktop Linux as a consumer OS for the masses* is still just as crazy in 2018 as it always has been in years past. I’m old enough to have seen a generation of Linux reviews proclaiming “this is the one!!” that can be the viable desktop OS for your family’s computers, and it never happens (the marketshare figures speak for themselves). A consumer OS simply cannot…

I'm talking about technical people. Why would I care about popularity of Linux if it works for me and may be even better than Windows. It's not a consumer OS for the masses, that's a primary reason of its low popularity, that's correct. I don't agree that part about terminal, I mean, editing registry in Windows is not easier. It's more about investing huge resources into polish and testing, so for most people there are no technical issues which would require complex repairs.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Dylan16807 »

derefr wrote: post #54
barking wrote: post #35

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They need to give you the choice on whether to update or not. If you choose not to they should just maybe give you a warning on every launch and leave it at that.

We're talking about herd immunity from viruses here. Imagine that there were a new deadly pandemic every few days. Should a human being, at that point, be allowed (by the social norms of their society, by law, whatever) to refuse to receive once-daily "vaccination updates"?

The point of herd immunity is to protect people that can't be vaccinated. Even if you would force people to be immunized, it wouldn't be necessary to apply the same to computers. Vulnerable computers can't rely on herd immunity, and you'll have botnets whether or not updates are mandatory.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by josefx »

abledon wrote: post #17
ttul wrote: post #10

Is this incompetence the result of Microsoft being unable to retain decent engineers? I mean, who actually would want to work on the next Windows release? You’d have to be a masochist.

Well apple had that empty password bug on one release, everyone makes a mistake once in a while

Microsoft already had its own empty password bug for the Xbox login. A badly placed trim call let you input a password consisting only of whitespace and it would pass as long as it had the correct length.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Dylan16807 »

giobox wrote: post #149
vbezhenar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care? It works.

The idea that you can take the current state of modern desktop Linux as a consumer OS for the masses* is still just as crazy in 2018 as it always has been in years past. I’m old enough to have seen a generation of Linux reviews proclaiming “this is the one!!” that can be the viable desktop OS for your family’s computers, and it never happens (the marketshare figures speak for themselves). A consumer OS simply cannot…

> A consumer OS simply cannot ever require the average user to open a terminal window to fix, configure or install something, _ever_

I'm pretty sure I've had to open a terminal more on windows than on linux, especially when networking acts up.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by chx »

capdeck wrote: post #43
fermienrico wrote: post #34

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I purchased a full Windows 10 Pro license key and yet I am going to pirate the shit out of Windows. I don't want Microsoft siphoning off data from my PC. I don't want Cortana. I don't want ANY FUCKING THING except for a system that is minimal and it works. Why doesn't Microsoft make a developer friendly version NOT targeted for consumers (aka without all the bloat)!? Edit from the other post: Don’t forget the registr…

Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

There are two sides of this coin. I have abandoned my attempt of running Linux on my laptop after 17 years. (My Linux server usage goes back to 1993.)

There are always problems. Bluetooth breaks often, the MFC device on upgrades, enterprise wifi is iffy (and now it's only enterprise wifi but up until very recently, it was 5GHz wifi) ...

I am now on Windows 10 w/ Linux subsystem for Windows. The big upgrades are put off with Group Policy, the small updates run overnight because I leave the laptop docked and powered when I am sleeping. But reboots are rare. The big upgrades I wait 4-5 months with installing. This is a solved problem. O&O Shutup10 deals with the privacy issues, I think (also I think this is overblown, the privacy fight is lost already).

So why suffer needlessly with the Linux kernel?

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by kbenson »

Jach wrote: post #182
kbenson wrote: post #62

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For me? Because I'm trying to work through the several hundred steam games I've accrued from humble bundles over the years (and for one or two works apps hopefully going away soon). I used Linux on the desktop for over a decade, usually with a highly customized FVWM2 config. I found windows 8 to be okay, and windows 10 to be a pretty good minimal desktop. All my dev work is done remote on PuTTY anyways, so beyond a b…

Did you miss the announcement recently from Valve that Steam on Linux now bundles a version of wine + other goodies that make it so you can run many windows games now? Not all, but the list will grow. https://spcr.netlify.com/

I did miss that. But given I have heat problems on my system running some games already, it's not something I would want to use at this point. It does bode well for more choices in the future though.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by mikelward »

ben_jones wrote: post #181

The only reason I use windows 10 is for gaming. The millisecond linux gaming is supported by all the games I love I will be paying whatever price necessary to drop windows for ever. I use OS X for work and find it a near perfect developer experience for my rather pedestrian use cases.

See if your games are supported by Steam Play (a.k.a. Proton).

https://spcr.netlify.com

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by zawerf »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #142
zawerf wrote: post #136

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Linux (specifically ubuntu in my case) also suffers from somewhat similar problems. Every time I update graphic drivers it's a diceroll on whether it will reboot into a black screen. Sometimes it's recoverable from blindly pasting god-knows-what from stackoverflow. Most of the time I just have to do a complete reinstall. (I guess it's not a complete brick on update because I have never suffered data loss, but it's si…

That seems like either a Ubuntu misconfiguration or buggy drivers when interacting with your hardware, but I certainly wouldn't say it's a "Linux" thing, may be a disto thing, Ubuntu's not known for caring much about the desktop these days. I have been using Linux successfully for more than a decade without such issues, which does not mean it didn't happen to you, but it does mean it's anecdotal. I am on a rolling-re…

It might be this issue if you don't believe my anecdote: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2385621

I have also been using linux for over a decade and I still can't recommend it to any non-developers friends unless their hardware build is extremely common.

I am currently running two nvidia gtx 1080 SLI and multiple 4k monitors. Even for just installing the OS, I need to physically remove both graphic cards and use a smaller monitor first. This physically laborious workaround just to reinstall the damn thing is what amplified my rage when it decided to break on autoupdate.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by giobox »

pasabagi wrote: post #177
giobox wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that you can take the current state of modern desktop Linux as a consumer OS for the masses* is still just as crazy in 2018 as it always has been in years past. I’m old enough to have seen a generation of Linux reviews proclaiming “this is the one!!” that can be the viable desktop OS for your family’s computers, and it never happens (the marketshare figures speak for themselves). A consumer OS simply cannot…

Who cares? Way more developers and users devote time to improving the Linux experience than Windows or Mac. That's the only way in which popularity really matters. And it shows - when I switch to Windows, my Laptop fans start up and everything feels as slow as a slug. Because at this point, Windows is just bad software - and that's because Microsoft has recognized that the Desktop/PC thing is a declining market - and…

I care - if you want a vibrant third party software ecosystem it helps if there’s a reasonable sized install base, especially when comparing to an install base that is often near enough a rounding error. This means my development OS has to find a reasonable audience beyond people like me. Vibrant doesn’t just mean “free” or open source either. For commercial software, there’s significantly less economic incentive to ship Linux support. It’s sadly a similar story with respect to hardware/peripheral support from time to time as well.

It’s nice when you can run things such as the Adobe suite without recourse to emulation/wine etc. I don’t just use my desktop OS for work.

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